X-GM-THRID: 1243755542636434367 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.87.11 with SMTP id k11cs231340wxb; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 03:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.149.13 with SMTP id w13mr795054hud.1186137717203; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 03:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id f3si2991229nfh.2007.08.03.03.41.52; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 03:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IGuXe-0004Kz-O4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:37:58 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1IGuXe-0004Kq-92 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:37:58 +0100 Received: from alnrmhc15.comcast.net ([206.18.177.55]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IGuXc-0001rZ-PR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:37:58 +0100 Received: from jayterminal (c-71-234-114-84.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[71.234.114.84]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070803103750b1500a1ds0e>; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:37:50 +0000 Message-ID: <003801c7d5ba$56f3cc80$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: References: <005001c7d3fe$e4786d80$6400a8c0@oem17oeylz9on8> <001901c7d42b$e6fbeaa0$86048351@w4o8m9> <00a001c7d43c$f4180690$0a7ee150@o> <1IGMYh-02648G0@fwd31.t-online.de> <003001c7d4d1$fcaf0390$db3a383e@Tom> <000101c7d5a4$5f527220$4e69e150@o> <008901c7d5b0$eea7c040$a17d383e@Tom> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:37:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 / OLB test-sig... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 858 Tom That's a lot of wire in the air...congratulations! Usually the more the better but in this case it sounds like too much. One approach would be to trim the horizontal top wire of the L to get the +j18 close to 0. Then it would be a matter of matching the R to 50 ohms. You could use a smaller version of the tapped transformer shown near the bottom of this page: http://www.w1vd.com/XNStxantenna.html If a low SWR is important to you across the band you may want to shorten the antenna beyond the j0 point and add a variable inductor in series with the vertical wire. Jay W1VD / WD2XNS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Boucher" To: Cc: "Finbar" Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 5:30 AM Subject: LF: Re: 500 / OLB test-sig... Rog (and others) - thank you for this. You may, or may not, be interested in the matching arrangement for my antenna. The antenna is an extension of my 160 metre inverted 'L' which has an 80' vertical section to a tree on a 20' bank - the effective height may therefore not be as much as 80'. This antenna sits on 19 radials which are 60 - 100' long and are either buried or lying on the ground, in order to act as trip wires for my XYL when she trespasses on my antenna area. An additional 358' has been added to this antenna to make the total quarter wave length of 492'. This added wire zig-zags for 50' or so then is largely in a straight line held up by 3 further tree halyards and ends up about 30' above ground. This antenna with no matching showed a minimum VSWR at 506KHz of 2.5:1 and impedance of 22 + j18. By empirical means (!) I established that a parallel capacitance of some 6000 pF brought the SWR to a low figure but, not unexpectedly, took the resonant frequency up to 521KHz; an L-section using part of the antenna's self-inductance. To bring the antenna back down to 502KHz, I added a small inductance between capacitor/coax and the base of the antenna. The final values were 9 micro-Henrys (22 turns on 1'' dia) and 6,600pF (3 x 2,200 pf 1000v polypropylene) giving 1.1:1 @ 503 KHz, 50 + j10. I was surprised at the high value of capacitance needed to resonate this antenna and am not sure how you go about calculating the necessary values as these were established by trial and error. Perhaps there is an academic out there who can tell me! 73, Tom G3OLB ----- Original Message ----- From: GW3UEP To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:55 AM Subject: LF: 500 / OLB test-sig... Tom, Hrd your test-loop ydy - steady S7 on meter - ur tidying up has wrkd! Ur closing the gap on Mike [S9/40mls via Preseli mountain] over the ~90mls part sea-path bn us. Hope to improve ant nxt wk, jobs permitting. Rog. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gw3UEP To: Tom Boucher Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: Re: Tom - what hve u done? Fantastic sig nw - on meter S5/6...