X-GM-THRID: 1243583819375807210 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.87.11 with SMTP id k11cs173289wxb; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.178.11 with SMTP id a11mr1790699buf.1186037833833; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 6si8110946nfv.2007.08.01.23.57.10; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IGUZe-0006o5-KI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:54:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1IGUZe-0006nw-3e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:54:18 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.89]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IGUZc-0007FO-Vf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:54:17 +0100 Received: from dyn-62-56-58-219.dslaccess.co.uk ([62.56.58.219] helo=Tom) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH telemetry) (Exim 4.42) id 1IGUZc-0008lG-3I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:54:16 +0000 Message-ID: <003001c7d4d1$fcaf0390$db3a383e@Tom> From: "Tom Boucher" To: References: <005001c7d3fe$e4786d80$6400a8c0@oem17oeylz9on8> <001901c7d42b$e6fbeaa0$86048351@w4o8m9> <00a001c7d43c$f4180690$0a7ee150@o> <1IGMYh-02648G0@fwd31.t-online.de> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:54:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.400 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: newbie help Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2683 Good point Ha-Jo. When using my antenna impedance analyser, I always leave a 50 ohm load in parallel with the antenna, using a BNC T-piece. Only when the antenna is connected do I remove the 50 ohm terminator, that way hopefully any static on the antenna is discharged through it. 73 Tom G3OLB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 11:20 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: newbie help > Dear all, > > I have heard of a case that a german LF amateur had ruined his > capacitance meter because of a static loading on the aerial! > > Therefore I have always preferred to measure aerial capacitance by > checking the detuning effect of the aerial to a tuned circuit. The coil > of this circuit will always ground the aerial for dc. > > HW? > > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB > > > "John GM4SLV" schrieb: >> >> Rog, >> >> That's an interesting idea - I've never thought of trying a digital Cap >> meter. I must try it on the new antenna - and compare it to my homebrew >> RF bridge, calculations and - more telling - to the valuse of L I >> eventually need to resonate it. >> >> >> John GM4SLV >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, GW3UEP wrote: >> >> > Re ant cap: you can use a DMM [Rapid 328] to gnd - I use 1000pF across >> > its terminals to decouple RF for a stable reading. Simply subtract its >> > value. 73, Rog. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: James Moritz >> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:05 PM >> > Subject: LF: Re: newbie help >> > >> > >> > Dear Paul, >> > >> > In a nutshell: >> > >> > - You can tune up more or less any bit of wire for reasonable results >> > on 500kHz. For best results, make it as high up as possible, and >> > secondarily as long as possible. An HF long wire, or dipole with >> > feeders strapped would be fine. >> > >> > -Work out the capacitance of the wire (see formulas on ON7YD's >> > antennas pages). and calculate the inductance for resonance around >> > 502.5kHz. For most HF-sized wire antennas, this will be of the order >> > of 100s of uH. The resulting coil is >> >> >> > >