X-GM-THRID: 1244953286646941857 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.25.11 with SMTP id 11cs461988wxy; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.100.1 with SMTP id x1mr2777386bub.1187279974779; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id d2si1008413nfc.2007.08.16.08.59.29; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) client-ip=193.82.116.20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) smtp.mail=owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ILhh4-0007m8-Ek for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:55:30 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ILhh3-0007lz-VV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:55:30 +0100 Received: from pythagoras.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.140]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ILhgy-0000ny-31 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:55:29 +0100 Received: from [82.68.18.174] (helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by pythagoras.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ILhgx-0001zx-5o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:55:23 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:56:13 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01c7e01d$fbf131b0$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000101c7df79$27f3bb70$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> X-Originating-Pythagoras-IP: [82.68.18.174] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: RE: 500 - QRP tests 14/8/07 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 212 I thought that I would resend this as I would really like some figures = on paths of this length. Since I sent the e-mail yesterday it looks as if = I will need to provide a short report to Ofcom at the RSGB/Ofcom Forum = that meets quarterly in September - and the draft for that report will need = to be done by end-next week. Thus, any figures on the actual performance = achieved on this band will be of value. On the separate topic of 600/160 (and perhaps 136kHz) comparison, this could usefully be tried now = (mid-Summer) as again it could provide some useful info. Again ERP, S/S+N, absolute noise-floor measurements, RX bandwidth, etc, would be key as these would = be the parameters that properly describe the propagation being achieved. I need this type of info so that we stand a chance of maitaining, and perhaps extending, our experimental basis on this frequency. 73 John, G3WKL RSGB HF Manager -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John W Gould Sent: 15 August 2007 21:16 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 500 - QRP tests 14/8/07 John, this and the recent contacts with G3OLB are of interest to me, = given their range, as I've no doubt that Ofcom will want some feedback on what = we are achieving in terms of range. We have as you know in mind to try and = see if they will allow us a little more ERP (but don't hold your breath!). I'm sorry, but I've been away a lot and often too busy when I'm at home = to check past e-mails, so it would be helpful to me if you could convert = the power levels below into ERP for me (you refer to your normal power = providing an aerial current that would provide an estimated 100mW ERP from your aerial, but I'm not sure what TX power this is so can't scale the = figures below). I'd be interested to know as well the estimated ERP for the G3OLB = contact, the nominal RX bandwidth and some indication of how easy the signal was = to copy (I presume that it was conventional CW).=20 You might try=20 http://www.wdc.rl.ac.uk/ionosondes/view_latest.html and click the latest ionogram button (blank password I think) or=20 http://www.n4gn.com/prop.html for lots of links. 73 John, G3WKL RSGB HF Manager