X-GM-THRID: 1244338299319055797 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.87.11 with SMTP id k11cs38277wxb; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.134.12 with SMTP id h12mr3101932bud.1186693477264; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i7si1943590nfh.2007.08.09.14.04.32; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) client-ip=193.82.116.20; Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IJF4e-0000lk-A6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:57:40 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1IJF4d-0000lb-R8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:57:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.92]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IJF4a-0000I4-Q5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:57:39 +0100 Received: from dyn-62-56-66-80.dslaccess.co.uk ([62.56.66.80] helo=Tom) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH telemetry) (Exim 4.42) id 1IJF4Z-0003hH-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:57:36 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c7dac7$f7491f20$5042383e@Tom> From: "Tom Boucher" To: References: <00a501c7dac2$b551dc60$517d383e@Tom> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:57:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Antennas & ERP Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 233 Thank you John - have just proved you are seeing my signal by turning it off for a few minutes. 73 Tom/G3OLB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Boucher" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:20 PM Subject: LF: Re: Antennas & ERP > John > > I've been beaconing all evening on 503.5 slow CW. According to your > grabber, you are either transmitting yourself on the same frequency, or > you are receiving me at 90dB over 9! > > 73 > Tom G3OLB > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Pumford-Green GM4SLV" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:27 PM > Subject: LF: Antennas & ERP > > >> Hello LF group, >> >> I had another 2-way CW QSO with Finbar last evening at around 11pm Local >> Time. His signals were on the whole a bit better than the previous night >> and I think mine were better too at the start, although the QRN and QSB >> eventually took me down into the noise by the end. >> >> During the day I did some measurements of antenna current vs TX DC input >> power (easier to measure) and based on them (and a knowledge of PA >> efficiency) I have graphed I^2 against Power to come up with a straight >> line, the slope of which should correspond to overall antenna system >> resistance. >> >> This has given me a set of figures from where I can quantify >> improvements. It has also showed me that tne new antenna installation is >> seriously in need of work! >> >> For 50W RF power I get 0.65A RF feed current which implies a resistance >> of 118 ohms!! >> >> Other data points for powers between 4W and 50W tend to agree with this >> figure. The best fit line is around 115 ohms. >> >> >> Calculation of likely radiation resistance gives me around 0.14 ohms, >> which might be a tad optimistic, so my EMRP will be around 50mW, for 50W >> TX power. Obviously I need to improve this, if for no other reason than >> that I don't particularly want to run high RF power just to heat up the >> worms. >> >> >> I will attempt to lay some more radials tonight, and add some more earth >> rods and then remeasure current vs power. >> >> Hopefully the QRN will be lower this evening for another QSO attempt - >> and hopefully make GW this time? >> >> Regards, >> >> John, GM4SLV >> >> > >