X-GM-THRID: 1238777298935296951 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs323628hue; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.105.13 with SMTP id d13mr10011557buc.1181529142119; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i8si5471270nfh.2007.06.10.19.32.19; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HxZeC-0002hR-Qy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 03:28:48 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HxZeB-0002hI-Sz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 03:28:47 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HxZeA-0004WC-QD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 03:28:47 +0100 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.11.247]) by bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:28:19 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:28:18 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 207.46.11.254 by by124fd.bay124.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:28:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.33.149.2] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c7aa8c$6d692860$7c0d7ad5@w4o8m9> From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:28:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2007 02:28:18.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C5EB520:01C7ABD0] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: Re: LF: 136kHz tests - M0BMU ERP Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1377 Nice experimentation - too noisy to receive anything from you but appreciate the signal whist in XE Now in San Antonio TX - Laurence KL1X/5 >From: "James Moritz" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: >Subject: Re: LF: 136kHz tests - M0BMU ERP >Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:50:50 +0100 > >Dear LF Group, > >Thanks to all for the reports on the beacon signal. The DFCW30 beacon ran >through until about 0400utc this morning. > >The purpose of the tests was to do some field strength measurements with a >new mobile measuring antenna set-up I have been working on recently. This >is >meant for determining transmitted ERP and antenna efficiency on 136k and >500k. I am still in the process of calibrating the system, but it should be >quite accurate now. I initially used my antenna in inv-L configuration >(about 40m long, 10m high top section) with about 1kW TX power and made >field strength measurements at 38 locations between about 1km and 6km >around >my QTH, and then calculated the ERP for each location. Most of these were >within +/- 2dB of the average; I rejected 3 that were outside this limit as >probably being affected by the receiving location. The average of the >remaining 35 came to 0.18W ERP. I then repeated the measurements at 6 of >the >former locations, with the centre of the antenna span raised to 14m with a >fibreglass pole, making an inverted-V configuration. This increased the ERP >to 0.59W average (most of the time, the DFCW30 signal was being transmitted >at this level). > >The antenna current was close to 4A for both configurations, but the loss >resistance for the increased height antenna was reduced from about 63ohms >to >51ohms, so lower TX power was required. The overall efficiency works out to >0.010% for the inv-L antenna configuration, and 0.040% for the inv-V >configuration. So the fairly modest increase in average height of the top >wire of the antenna increases the overall efficiency by a factor of 4. The >effective height calculated from the antenna dimensions is about 9m for the >inv-L and 12m for the inv-V. But calculating Heff from the field-strength >measurements gives 4.5m (inv-L) and 7.8m (inv-V). This could be interpreted >as the effective height of the antenna being reduced by the screening >effect >of the surrounding trees, buildings etc. From these figures, about 4m is >knocked off the effective height of the antennas, giving substantially less >ERP than what would be calculated from the antenna dimensions and current. > >I did similar measurements back in 2003 with similar antennas, and the >antenna efficiency was better by a factor of 3 or more then. The loss >resistance has also increased substantially, from 37ohms for the inv-L and >29ohms for the inv-V. This is not so surprising, because several trees >around the antenna were just seedlings then, but now they have grown to a >similar height to the antenna wire. > >These are just preliminary results, but they do show how important it is to >get the maximum height possible for the antenna. Unfortunately, this is >usually the most difficult dimension to increase! > >I hope to repeat these tests on 500kHz in the next few days. > >Cheers, Jim Moritz >73 de M0BMU > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01