X-GM-THRID: 1240590192712458579 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.10 with SMTP id u10cs221440hue; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.170.6 with SMTP id s6mr1645386hue.1183127790787; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 31si19275026nfu.2007.06.29.07.36.24; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1I4HWq-0002vG-BO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:32:56 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1I4HWp-0002v7-H4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:32:55 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.74]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I4HWn-0001MC-Tu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:32:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 21462 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2007 14:32:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=zN5wzcHN8cHMhmLLPeuxeegAcQTcY7fSYnbncAWLuN+AWJm0TrasvvsTKSMIt0h8KgzscRZrwFC96Cz/jIKUHPT88SijWVoW1I5vhEkaTqlLhFHBKtg2lN1cU9qV7BFDNRAKTYLFDsqQMiepHsXDV52t3PO0pM4en+Lbq0GY5qk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.62.249 with login) by smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2007 14:32:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OTFVmpwVM1lLmONAdw8RU3qjT.SGijRx7ue5wvO4K60a5__GmBW13TB2cDi4rdOQU71npEIrwl7Jlc9vRfD9ZNEMGZ_o9Xr0PHqYwjkUztc_scQM Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.476 [269.9.12/878]); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:32:36 +0100 Message-ID: <002501c7ba5a$56d3e9e0$f93e8351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:32:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Getting QRV on 500kHz from Shetland? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1588 Dear John, LF Group, Well I would certainly try to work you - for a UK - only band, you are probably the ultimate in DX! QSOs over your kind of distance seems to be more difficult on 500k than 136k, partly because of the lower ERP limit, partly because of the more variable propagation at this distance. I think CW is the prefered mode on 500k at the moment because it is familiar and most stations can work each other within mainland UK once they have TX and antenna sorted out. Most of the QSOs are fairly routine and don't get mentioned on the reflector. The QRSS beacons from DL and SM are quite well received here, so probably feasible for a longer distance QSO if CW fails. Several stations have QRSS capability, which is pretty simple to set up and use if you have a PC and a CW TX. For the TX antenna, I would go for the long wire - height is the most important thing as Alan says, but if you have a reasonable length of wire it makes it easier to match the antenna and reduces losses. The trees seem to be one of the main things that reduce antenna efficiency, so at least you won't have that problem! The grounding is not too critical most of the time; I have found that a number of ground rods connected together is as good as anything, but that might be different if your ground is mostly rock. A simple way of boosting sensitivity with a loop antenna is to make the loop bigger - 1m diameter is a bit small for weak signal reception without a low-noise preamp. It is easy to make a fixed wire loop of several m^2 aimed in the general direction of interest - see http://www.wireless.org.uk/lazy.htm - which was intended for 136kHz, but will also work with a reduction in tuning inductance at 500k, provided the coax is not too long. Navtex is still on 518kHz (and 490kHz) - maybe it is just me, but there seem to be fewer broadcasts than there used to be... still, you should not have to wait long for a broadcast to appear on 518k at least. Good luck - hope you get QRV soon! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU