X-GM-THRID: 1239895157859244727 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.10 with SMTP id u10cs471249hue; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.201.2 with SMTP id y2mr1162983huf.1182456169387; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id d27si1893863nfh.2007.06.21.13.02.41; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1I1Smi-0000Ob-Q4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:57:40 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1I1Smh-0000OS-TH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:57:39 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.63]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I1Smg-0006IV-DR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:57:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 39546 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2007 19:57:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Jld8D4XBFqEAfTmxjk+bjHnuQ9A3pa0zDJA1Et/ogXBjtLg3Y+jBSMOl4aATrl7/OoCO3FX+TNNhKIewN62jZ0eGgJRVXc9fik5W4A8oQe60j+TBOfYKYn1inNg2Ya5s6hxsKPt52GHgqFZXSDe4SzJF2FTDB8dZJvG5UBULS7I= ; Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.40.94 with login) by smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2007 19:57:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: an_RTj8VM1kGuc2WHU53SrVOOu0jYCMoLK_8qzBMtYUZRNu.nfK6LgysYoc12MKVFnESqMaQdA-- Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.472 [269.9.1/857]); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:57:26 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c7b43e$64427f00$5e287ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <004e01c7b36b$dc9f52d0$9d556a58@wgt01> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:57:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Applying for a 500kHz NOV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4256 Dear Martyn, LF Group, The approach I adopted goes something like: -Calculate or measure capacitance and effective height / radiation resistance of antenna (to do this, you also need the length of the top section, and the spacing of the top wires in order to calculate capacitance of vertical and top loading sections). -Calculate antenna current required to get 0.1W ERP ( = sqrt (0.1W / [Rrad * 1.8]); this will be some hundreds of milliamps. -From the antenna capacitance, work out the antenna reactance and multiply by antenna current to get the antenna voltage. -Make a "worst case" assumption that the field strength is (antenna voltage)/(shortest distance to neighbors) - the actual field strength will be less than this. This will probably come out to some tens of volts/m, which Ofcom seem to find acceptable. Most people seem to be using CW at the moment; also, the very slow morse QRSS and DFCW modes as used on 136kHz have seen some use. Good luck with the application, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martyn Kinder" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: LF: Applying for a 500kHz NOV Hi all, I am applying for a NOV for 500kHz. I have a couple of questions which I am hoping you may be able to help me with. Assuming that I run QRO ERP (-10dBW) can someone give me some help to what my field strength will be at the neighbours boundary.