X-GM-THRID: 1237077777621314064 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs244701hue; Mon, 21 May 2007 15:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.29.12 with SMTP id g12mr120409ugj.1179787671234; Mon, 21 May 2007 15:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 5si209742ugc.2007.05.21.15.47.48; Mon, 21 May 2007 15:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqGc7-0004Qw-6G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 23:44:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqGc6-0004Qn-PI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 23:44:26 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.92]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqGc3-0004Qt-0K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 23:44:26 +0100 Received: from g3xaq.demon.co.uk ([80.176.129.138]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HqGc1-000Mk2-Ex for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 22:44:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:43:02 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Alan Ibbetson References: <000701c79bce$99ad2ce0$72e4fc3e@g3kev> <20070521222332.grmmadm1jf48ssg0@webmail3.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20070521222332.grmmadm1jf48ssg0@webmail3.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-S (<7JhEZ1+aE9U3ka1scEfXKvpP2j>) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.336 Subject: Re: LF: Distance Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2433 Hello Rik, In message <20070521222332.grmmadm1jf48ssg0@webmail3.kuleuven.be>, Rik Strobbe writes >Why would one need an "antenna farm" with an ERP (EIRP ?) limit of 0.1 Watt? I think it's because small/low aerials lose more signal to surrounding ground clutter than do big/high aerials. I don't believe that trees, buildings and hills necessarily appear as part of the loss resistance you mention. >On the other hand using narrowband modes will give easily give a 5 to >10 dB improvement of CW. Nobody disagrees with you. What Mal said was "there is no need to use QRS to be heard around EU". It seems a shame to use a slow mode if a given path supports a faster one. -- Cheers, Alan G3XAQ alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk