X-GM-THRID: 1237168872806695230 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs288882hue; Tue, 22 May 2007 14:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.30.6 with SMTP id h6mr865860ugj.1179870532898; Tue, 22 May 2007 14:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id x33si1314843ugc.2007.05.22.14.48.49; Tue, 22 May 2007 14:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqcAI-0000YY-RV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 22:45:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqcAI-0000YP-9Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 22:45:10 +0100 Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.164]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqcAE-0008LF-Oh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 22:45:10 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (62.20.250.132) by pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.075) (authenticated as u33233109) id 46245DE1008EF76C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 23:45:00 +0200 Message-ID: <4653645F.3030600@telia.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 23:45:03 +0200 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002201c79c98$eb70aaa0$3be8fc3e@g3kev> In-Reply-To: <002201c79c98$eb70aaa0$3be8fc3e@g3kev> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LMCW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6755 hamilton mal wrote: > Lazy Man CW started in England a few years ago on 137 khz Andy Talbot wrote: > Error! > LMCW Started in on 27 July 1997 when I first transmitted over the 393km > path to G3PLX on 72.09kHz.. ERROR! LMCW is much older! For example, look at section 7 of Rik's (excellent!) page, Nihil novum sub sole, http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136narro.htm#NihilNovum :-) In fact, LMCW is not an "amateur invention" at all. The fact that the signal to noise ratio increases inversely to bandwidth has been known for ages, and reduced bandwidth requires slower signaling to convey the information... Ever heard of Shannon? :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon%E2%80%93Hartley_theorem 73 Johan SM6LKM P.S. to Mal: I believe I was the first to suggest the use of slow CW on the RSGB LF reflector some 10 years ago (just after I found Richard Horne's Spectrogram on the web). Blame me! ;-)