X-GM-THRID: 1237133894613295379 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs267844hue; Tue, 22 May 2007 05:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.195.9 with SMTP id s9mr1411744huf.1179837461052; Tue, 22 May 2007 05:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 54si1555777ugp.2007.05.22.05.37.38; Tue, 22 May 2007 05:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqTYN-0006dg-1g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 13:33:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqTYM-0006dX-IY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 13:33:26 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.74]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqTYI-0006th-Mk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 13:33:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 36148 invoked from network); 22 May 2007 12:33:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dave) (dsergeant@btinternet.com@86.139.21.103 with login) by smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2007 12:33:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .zzFBHEVM1l_.eq5vDG_HDDJ_yEfgTu.UZs43V_tDQEudGu6V0A8pdz1sE6xTQf2pFZnTMo_qzWVgxclcOZh1SQVk41Da4eQWJx8_oG8bbGfBzsv From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:33:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4652F11C.22810.1880E26@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.300 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Distance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1833 Interesting comments... I agree that specifying power in terms of ERP is not really that suitable for amateur operation and a licence specified as power output, as per all the usual amateur bands, is far more sensible. At G3YMC I have been having great fun getting going on 500kHz. Building the TX was the first bit of fun, a pretty simple affair but it took me rather longer than the 15 minutes Mal is suggesting. I suspect very few of us could build anything electronic from scratch in that sort of time (even from a kit...). Trying to match it to the antenna was the next bit of fun, and I spent time recalibrating my noise bridge, building a different impedance bridge, another look at G3LDO's 3M bridge and then playing with Reg G4FPQ's programs to explore what was really at the end of the coax. Oh, there was also that small job of digging out the long disused variometer (thanks GW4ALG), retensioning its wire, connecting it at the base of the antenna, then trying to find the resonance point. All good fun and part of amateur experimentation. At the moment I have had 1.5 QSOs and a few local listener reports. My experiments tell me why my signal is pretty weak - my ground losses are over 300 ohms! I actually knew that already from both 160m and 136 experience. I could of course just build a bigger PA (100W would be getting there I guess...). I plan to follow the alternative path - work on getting the earth losses down to a sensible level. 500kHz has given me the incentive to persue that path, which will not only get me more QSOs on that band but also next season you may well see me working W stations on Top Band on QRP as a result. Next step is to make my noise bridge and impedance meters portable so I can measure what the ground loss really is and to easily measure the difference improvements make. See me on the band in due course... 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com