X-GM-THRID: 1237077777621314064 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs240091hue; Mon, 21 May 2007 13:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.116.3 with SMTP id t3mr24634ugm.1179779216327; Mon, 21 May 2007 13:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o30si81399ugd.2007.05.21.13.26.52; Mon, 21 May 2007 13:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqEPi-00049T-7n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 21:23:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqEPh-00049K-Lb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 21:23:29 +0100 Received: from thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.45]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqEPd-00048R-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 21:23:29 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C2F1380EC for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 22:23:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp02.kuleuven.be (lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.72]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F881384F9 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 22:23:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp02.kuleuven.be (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDF12CAB14; Mon, 21 May 2007 22:23:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail1.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail1.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.3]) by smtp02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771E62CAACB for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 22:23:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail1.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 080981A9834; Mon, 21 May 2007 22:23:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 125.46-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (125.46-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.46.125]) by webmail3.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 21 May 2007 22:23:32 +0200 Message-ID: <20070521222332.grmmadm1jf48ssg0@webmail3.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:23:32 +0200 From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c79bce$99ad2ce0$72e4fc3e@g3kev> In-Reply-To: <000701c79bce$99ad2ce0$72e4fc3e@g3kev> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.46.125 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.017 Subject: Re: LF: Distance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2434 Why would one need an "antenna farm" with an ERP (EIRP ?) limit of 0.1 Watt? Even a small backyard antenna such as a 8 m high and 8 m topload =20 T-antenna has a radiation resistance of about 0.15 Ohm. Taking into account a gain of 2.63 dBd (4.78 dBi) the antennacurrent =20 needed for 0.1 W ERP is only 0.6 A and for 0.1 W EIRP even only 0.47 A. Assuming a loss resistance of 40 Ohm the required TX power is 15 W =20 (for 0.1 W ERP) or 9 W (for 0.1 W EIRP). So there is no advantage using big antennas , except that you will =20 need only 1 W TX power instead of 15 W. At least if you stick to the =20 0.1 W ERP limit. On the other hand using narrowband modes will give easily give a 5 to =20 10 dB improvement of CW. 73, Rik ON7YD Quoting hamilton mal : > Hi All > There is no need to use QRS to be heard/seen around EU. Uk stns have been > heard around EU on normal CW especially after dark. GI4DPE and myself G3KE= V > have been hrd in Spain/Italy and YU but to mention a few places. > Concentrate on CW and your antenna farm and avoid Lazy Mans cw. > > de Mal/G3KEV > > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm