X-GM-THRID: 1236234164286520607 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs163912hue; Sat, 12 May 2007 03:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.27.3 with SMTP id e3mr1647435ugj.1178967318948; Sat, 12 May 2007 03:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id x37si7696741ugc.2007.05.12.03.55.13; Sat, 12 May 2007 03:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HmpDK-0001YX-FP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 11:52:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HmpDK-0001YO-0n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 11:52:38 +0100 Received: from cas-mta4-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.32] helo=mta-fe.casema.nl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HmpDJ-00050y-9r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 11:52:37 +0100 Received: from localhost (cas-filter4.mgmt.casema.nl [10.42.32.99]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E264AC2 for ; Sat, 12 May 2007 12:52:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mta-fe.casema.nl ([10.42.32.32]) by localhost (cas-filter4.mgmt.casema.nl [10.42.32.211]) (amavisd-new, port 20024) with ESMTP id 02693-03 for ; Sat, 12 May 2007 12:52:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from crazypeecee.casema.nl (5356F8BC.cable.casema.nl [83.86.248.188]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39334AB3 for ; Sat, 12 May 2007 12:52:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 12:52:51 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Dick Rollema In-Reply-To: <000e01c7947d$aa5ef080$ae124452@acer5gi5q0ubzj> References: <000e01c7947d$aa5ef080$ae124452@acer5gi5q0ubzj> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20070512105231.D39334AB3@mta-fe.casema.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at casema.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz license refused in the Netherlands Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1658 Thanks John for the hint. I will pass your message on to PA0SHY. 73, Dick, PA0SE At 12:09 12-5-2007, you wrote: >Dick, sorry to hear that, but in a way it's understandable. > >Can I suggest that you contact Sioerd, PA0SHY, VERON HF Manager, and bring >his attention to the posting by Ulrich, DK4VW, DARC HF Manager, on the IARU >Region 1 HF Manager's reflector asking for support for the proposal by >BNetzA (The German Administration) to have the matter of an Amateur band at >600m put on the agenda for WRC2011. The BNetzA paper can be downloaded from >the HF Manager's reflector's files folder. > >BNetZA are looking for other national administrations to support their >proposal at the final WRC07 preparatory meeting later this month. Ulrich, >DK4VW, DARC HF Manager has done much of the work on encouraging the BNetzA >to put forward this proposal and is looking for the support of other >national society HF Managers to contact their licensing administration and >give BNetzA their support. It's my understanding that Ofcom (UK) and the >Greek PTT have so far pledged to support this proposal. > >The workings of WRC are quite complex and seem slow. Before one can get >anything agreed one has to get the issue put on the agenda and normally to >have completed some studies. Whilst the agenda for the WRC2011 was set in >outline a few years ago, there is a formal agenda item at WRC07 to consider >any last minute additions to the agenda. To get the matter of a 600m >Amateur Band onto the agenda for WRC2011 has been the main focus of activity >by the IARU Region 1 500kHz Working Group and is supported by >representatives from Regions 2 and 3. The work of the three beacons, the US >and more recently UK experimental access all contributes knowledge that >might be seen as "studies"; certainly we will be drawing together findings >on propagation and harmonisation with other co- and adjacent-band users. > >Others reading this e-mail might consider trying to get their national >administration to support the call for this being an agenda item at WRC2011. >If so the best action is to contact your national society (HF Manager) and >see if they are taking the appropriate action. I will be happy to provide >contact details if these are not know; please send me a direct e-mail if >this is required (g3wkl@btinternet.com). > >73 John, G3WKL > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dick Rollema >Sent: 10 May 2007 09:45 >To: LF-Group >Subject: LF: 500 kHz license refused in the Netherlands > > >To All from PA0SE, > >Our radio agency just has informed me that my application for >permission to use the 500 kHz band has been refused. >The arguments are: >1. The band has not internationally been allocated as an amateurband >and also not in The Netherlands >2. The band is still being used for emergency, urgent and safety traffic. > >It has therefore been decided that for the time being the band will >not be available for experiments by amateurs. > >A disappointing decision, but I had more or less expected this >knowing how our agency operates. > >73, Dick, PA0SE