X-GM-THRID: 1236088949262680120 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs306855hue; Fri, 11 May 2007 02:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.96.1 with SMTP id y1mr2718845ugl.1178874566696; Fri, 11 May 2007 02:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id e23si7061955ugd.2007.05.11.02.09.21; Fri, 11 May 2007 02:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HmR2S-0004Lg-RW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:03:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HmR2S-0004LX-6k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:03:48 +0100 Received: from cas-mta2-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.24] helo=mta-fe.casema.nl) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HmR2R-0003AP-Cw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:03:48 +0100 Received: from localhost (cas-filter3.mgmt.casema.nl [10.42.32.98]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243F2556F; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:03:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mta-fe.casema.nl ([10.42.32.24]) by localhost (cas-filter3.mgmt.casema.nl [10.42.32.211]) (amavisd-new, port 20024) with ESMTP id 26669-05; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:03:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from crazypeecee.casema.nl (5356F8BC.cable.casema.nl [83.86.248.188]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF26559A; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:03:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:56:00 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Dick Rollema Cc: Hans Blondeel Timmerman , Dick Harms In-Reply-To: <001e01c7933b$4ae4a340$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> References: <001e01c7933b$4ae4a340$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20070511090338.CDF26559A@mta-fe.casema.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at casema.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz license refused in the Netherlands Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1684 Walter, DI2AG/DJ2LF wrote: : >Dear Dick, > sorry about the bad news. But - how about asking your radio agency >for a test- and research permit? Dear Walter, That is exactly what I did, with accent on the research of skywave propagation and on the reliability of daytime communication using small power. It is queer that the reasons for refusal: * The band is national and international not an amateur band * The band is still used for emergency, urgent and safety messages are just as valid for Germany, UK, Sweden and USA and in these countries this is not a reason for refusing permission to use the band for research and experiments. I had also stated I wanted the permission for a limited period, preferably one year. So the agency could always revoke the permission after that period. But being a small country our administration is always very cautious and not inclined to be at the forefront on subjects that have not been agreed upon between a large number of countries in CEPT or similar organisations. But who knows what the future may bring. Our 136 kHz permission also came rather late. 73, Dick, PA0SE