X-GM-THRID: 1237133894613295379 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs265761hue; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.249.16 with SMTP id w16mr528074ugh.1179833847808; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q1si1420374uge.2007.05.22.04.37.24; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqSb9-0006KE-9Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 12:32:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqSb8-0006K5-SD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 12:32:14 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqSb4-0008Ez-AS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 12:32:14 +0100 Received: from rmailcenter08.comcast.net ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070522113150m13007jkgme>; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:32:01 +0000 Received: from [24.91.125.179] by rmailcenter08.comcast.net; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:31:49 +0000 From: k2ors@comcast.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb Cc: "lawrence mayhead" Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:31:49 +0000 Message-Id: <052220071131.129.4652D4A5000C8B480000008122007507840B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Distance X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1835 Laurie, > The problem with an erp limit as low as 0.1W is that there is no incentive > to develop better antennas. > We can easily develop enough power to drive even the most inefficient of > antennas. > Not like 136 where it needed 1000w to achieve 1W erp even with quite a large > ant. so there was > an incentive and a challenge to develop better antennas. I agree 100%. Here in the U.S., the 500kHz experimental license WD2XSH is limited to 20 watts erp, but thats only because 20 watts was all that was requested. The group felt (wrongly, I believe ) that the FCC would be more likely to issue a license if the power was kept low. It is my experience and understanding of the FCC that there are only two things that they care about when issuing an experimental license 1) No conflicts with existing users, and 2)That all of the required issues are addressed on the application forms. I requested and received a 136 kHz license (WD2XGJ) with 10 watts ERP, in retrospect I think that the FCC would have granted me 100watts or 1kW ERP on 136 just as easily - I would have had a difficult time radiating 1kW on 136 though! The WD2XSH experiment is supposed to demonstrate the reliability of groundwave on the band with an eye to emergency comms. Many in the XSH group have an aversion to QRSS which in any event is not really useful for passing emergency traffic. Of course as we get into Spring and Summer the noise is steadily rising, and 20 watts of c.w. will not reliably span a country the size of the U.S.. Our licensing process differs from the U.K. N.O.V. process, the experimental licenses are issued by a different branch of the FCC than issues amateur licenses. I have recently filed a new application, apart from WD2XSH for 200watts ERP from 505-515 kHz with an eye toward investigating new digital modes. I felt that 200 watts ERP would be a significant (10dB) step above the current XSH license, and would be about the limit that I would be willing to run. The experimental licensing process here is a slow one and it will take some time to bear fruit. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2 FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm