X-GM-THRID: 1237168872806695230 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs281127hue; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.116.2 with SMTP id t2mr740155ugm.1179857907740; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 50si1666484ugb.2007.05.22.11.18.25; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqYtT-0008Nb-Dw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 19:15:35 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqYtS-0008NS-IO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 19:15:34 +0100 Received: from smtpout0171.sc1.he.tucows.com ([64.97.136.171] helo=n082.sc1.he.tucows.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqYtP-0001q4-E5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 19:15:34 +0100 Received: from g3kev (62.252.228.108) by n082.sc1.he.tucows.com (7.2.069.1) id 4630CFCB0020BF7A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 18:15:25 +0000 Message-ID: <006001c79c9d$2bb577e0$3be8fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: References: <002201c79c98$eb70aaa0$3be8fc3e@g3kev> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:13:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: LMCW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C79C9C.ECA165A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6756 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C79C9C.ECA165A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I said it started in England and was an English disease, where is the = ERROR. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 6:05 PM Subject: Re: LF: LMCW Error! LMCW Started in on 27 July 1997 when I first transmitted over the = 393km path to G3PLX on 72.09kHz.. Dot period was 100s, and it took = several hours of overnight keying to send my callsign. Peter received = in a bandwidth of 0.03Hz That was "real" QRSS - none of this namby-pamby 1 - 10s dots the = amateurs of today use :-) You can almost hear that! You could have done the same thing at the time on real CW, why was a = one day long DOT necessary? Andy G4JNT =20 On 22/05/07, hamilton mal wrote:=20 Lazy Man CW started in England a few years ago on 137 khz and only = spread to mainland EU in a small way and I am glad to say that the 30 = countries that I=20 worked in the past were all on CW including Russia. LMCW is useful under very difficultr conditions but seldom necessary = for a competent CW operator and anything slower than qrs 10 is seldom = necessary, although qrs3 usually does the trick.=20 The qrp restriction in the UK on 500 khz at present is adequate for = CW around EU, it seems there is no one beyond beyond OM/OK even = interested except by arrangement. It has been pointed out by others that the 100 mw does not encourage = real=20 research because it is so easy to generate this power, so with a wet = string and a signal generator you have achieved the object. We need 10 w and even more realistic 20 w for real R and D to take = placed, and these power levels(erp) are more difficult to achieve than you = think=20 given the average radio amateur antenna system. If there is no change in the UK pwr restriction in the future I = cannot see this band lasting for long, and EU so slow to even get going it does = not justify the effort. What has happened to the EEC one for all and all = for=20 one. Its all a joke. I was in EI land a couple of weeks ago and vehicle fuel was 69 pence = a litre, in the UK 96.9 pence can u see what I mean, and by the way = there is no council tax on properties in EI. Its now the same few amateurs keeping the band going. Look what has = happened=20 to 137 khz, it has virtually died out. Apart from the novelty of 500 kihz 160 m is a better band, does the = same thing and with 400w in the dx area the world is your OYSTER!!!! 73 De Mal/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C79C9C.ECA165A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I said it started in England and was an = English=20 disease, where is the ERROR.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy Talbot
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 = 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: LF: LMCW

Error!
 
LMCW Started in on 27 July 1997 when I first transmitted = over the=20 393km path to G3PLX on 72.09kHz..   Dot period was 100s, and = it took=20 several hours of overnight keying to send my callsign.  Peter = received in=20 a bandwidth of 0.03Hz
 
That was "real" QRSS - none of this namby-pamby 1 - 10s dots the = amateurs=20 of today use :-)  You can almost hear that!
 
You could have done the same thing at = the time on=20 real CW, why was a one day long DOT necessary?
 
 
Andy  G4JNT


 
On 22/05/07, hamilton=20 mal <g3kev.ham@virgin.net>=20 wrote:=20
Lazy=20 Man CW started in England a few years ago on 137 khz and only spread = to
mainland EU in a small way and I am glad to say that the 30 = countries=20 that I
worked in the past were all on CW including = Russia.
LMCW is=20 useful under very difficultr conditions but seldom necessary for=20 a
competent CW operator and anything slower than qrs 10 is seldom = necessary,
although qrs3 usually does the trick.
The qrp = restriction=20 in the UK on 500 khz at present is adequate for CW
around EU, it = seems=20 there is no one beyond beyond OM/OK even interested
except by=20 arrangement.
It has been pointed out by others that the 100 mw = does not=20 encourage real
research because it is so easy to generate this = power, so=20 with a wet string
and a signal generator you have achieved the=20 object.
We need 10 w and even more realistic 20 w for real R and = D to=20 take placed,
and these power levels(erp) are more difficult to = achieve=20 than you think
given the average radio amateur antenna = system.
If=20 there is no change in the UK pwr restriction in the future I cannot=20 see
this band lasting for long, and EU so slow to even get going = it does=20 not
justify the effort. What has happened to the EEC one for all = and all=20 for
one. Its all a joke.
I was in EI land a couple of weeks = ago and=20 vehicle fuel was 69 pence a
litre, in the UK 96.9 pence can u see = what I=20 mean, and by the way there is
no council tax on properties in = EI.
Its=20 now the same few amateurs keeping the band going. Look what has = happened=20
to 137 khz, it has virtually died out.
Apart from the novelty = of 500=20 kihz 160 m is a better band, does the same
thing and with 400w in = the dx=20 area the world is your OYSTER!!!!
73 De=20 = Mal/G3KEV




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