X-GM-THRID: 1236865071709301743 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs174222hue; Sat, 19 May 2007 12:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.6 with SMTP id t6mr2066324ugg.1179602471978; Sat, 19 May 2007 12:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id x37si3133118ugc.2007.05.19.12.21.09; Sat, 19 May 2007 12:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpURT-0003J6-HW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 20:18:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpURT-0003Ix-1x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 20:18:15 +0100 Received: from smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.68]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpURS-0006Qi-8a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 20:18:15 +0100 Received: (qmail 90214 invoked from network); 19 May 2007 19:18:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=XEo+1jZ6OXAJnSea8zTVQ+7AXAea3rhQV0Mdqkbp50Bn1acmwYYl8bDoSSGb+uGNVDL5W0c2QhfpnIuI3EUcoU8WuSrMeGCoDHzPKwtgAT80D6u1oOGVfRrqEnwMKwmkeNInx/LUOHhD+9Wk56SPlrr9ohwVkV9CF6qPsyKr2ag= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.5.82 with login) by smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2007 19:18:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: goz2vC4VM1lTMv2IUnxaAkoNO23zWLWkYL9dRIAvJUM.fA1ib6k6siUQ2PVYOrUK7PGfm4Fm4Q-- Message-ID: <003901c79a4a$735ed280$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <005101c799f0$c5e68c50$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 20:06:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: Rugby - Anthorn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2591 Their measurements show the field strength is above the spec. but I suspect this does not help if you were relying on a much stronger signal that NPL requested from from Rugby to overcome screening or local noises. I am quite surprised in a way how well it does work. I suppose 60kHz is very close to 4 times 15.625kHz for a simple receiver. The other poblem is a lot of modern wide screen TVs have SMPSUs that run in the 30kHz range and emit quite a big signal from the aerial coax braid. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: John W Gould To: Sent: 19 May 2007 09:36 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Rugby - Anthorn I didn't take much interest in this thread until I realised that my MSF clock was free-wheeling. I've had to find a new position and orientation for it in order for it to lock onto the Anthorn signal. This seems to be rather difficult and intermittent. So much for the claim of a good coverage across the UK. My QTH is about 30 miles south of Rugby (so no trouble there) but I guess 180 - 200 miles from Anthorn. I can see a "dissaffected from Newport Pagnell" letter being drafted before too long to the operator. 73 John, G3WKL -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Alberto di Bene Sent: 17 May 2007 18:03 To: LF Mailing List Cc: Alan Melia Subject: LF: Re: Rugby - Anthorn Hi Alan, I have measured the response of the S-meter of my R-75 at 60 kHz, using a W&G level generator and a Hatfield attenuator I had bought on eBay some time ago. At 60 kHz, you need a signal of -67 dBm to have an indication of S9 on the receiver. To bring it down to S3, I had to insert using the Hatfield attenuator 17 dB of attenuation. So much for the linearity of S-meters... So, for what this test is worth, apparently at my location Anthorn seems to be about 17 dB weaker than Rugby. The test is not much scientific, as I didn't take note in the past of the time of the day when I took the S9 reading, nor of its repeatability, but as a ballpark indication maybe it can say something. 73 Alberto I2PHD