X-GM-THRID: 1237273523406800751 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs384211hue; Thu, 24 May 2007 16:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.24.18 with SMTP id b18mr2490962ugj.1180050589834; Thu, 24 May 2007 16:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j34si5364436ugc.2007.05.24.16.49.46; Thu, 24 May 2007 16:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HrN0J-0000Rz-5N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 00:45:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HrN0I-0000Rq-Kj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 00:45:58 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.64]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrN0H-000315-PF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 00:45:58 +0100 Received: (qmail 591 invoked from network); 24 May 2007 23:45:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=y39X3yw0iegeFjibdpDOhOFYFMXWUhNZ7ck9xbC/1OyGU2Dc/r3x9xDRpHOieNDNJzUfJ4Vkm0pzd7q5G2F9a+sqgKjy4lYKURv8Lkls/bM+ch8Sug0ktuvLSN6Ty/muIuwtI8EfSophk8nES41Qc8a6YW9w8ujo5bjb/ReP5uA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.36.96 with login) by smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2007 23:45:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: d2LIFW0VM1kk9S8HsnssI6F66QfEkuHFnOt8T4I_CzeGKGlHktvJNhHczhIbYr7.NYIyEXr9iA-- Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.467 [269.7.7/816]); Fri, 25 May 2007 00:46:04 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c79e5d$b16ff4c0$60247ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:46:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz Distance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1552 Dear John, LF Group, As a simple answer, I would favour sticking with an ERP limit - based on the present experience the existing 0.1W ERP limit is adequate for a UK-only band, but if we are looking towards an international 500kHz band, it seems a bit low if international amateur communications using "conventional" HF-like techniques are going to be possible on a routine basis over the longer distances. There doesn't seem to be any problems due to the existing 0.1W level on 500kHz, and 1W ERP is still very low compared to other spectrum users in this frequency range. So if the possibility of an increased ERP limit exists, I would go for at least 1W ERP, or more if you feel it could be justified to Ofcom. A TX output power limit by itself would be OK, provided that power limit was quite high. But if Ofcom are concerned to limit the maximum field strength due to amateur transmissions, then they would have to specify low maximum power to cover the case of an amateur using a relatively efficient antenna with the "legal limit" TX power. A low TX power would then severely restrict the possibilities of the band for stations with small antennas and very limited possibilities for improving them. Rik's suggestion is quite nice from an amateur's point of view, in that it gives an "incentive" to produce more efficient antennas, but at the same time would allow stations who are unable to put up efficient antennas due to restricted space, etc., still to produce a usable signal by throwing more power at the antenna. But I think it could be difficult to sell such a proposal to Ofcom. For the sake of argument, take Rik's figures - in principle, there is no limit to the ERP that could be obtained with 20W TX power limit, given gain antennas. Practical large amateur antennas could give at least several watts ERP with 20W TX power. If Ofcom accept this, what is the motivation from a regulatory viewpoint for restricting amateurs with inefficient antennas to 100mW ERP? Why would they care how much power the transmitter generates, provided the actual amount of power radiated remains reasonably low? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU