X-GM-THRID: 1236234164286520607 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs163204hue; Sat, 12 May 2007 03:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.232.10 with SMTP id e10mr3523415ugh.1178964771621; Sat, 12 May 2007 03:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j34si7662489ugc.2007.05.12.03.12.49; Sat, 12 May 2007 03:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HmoX3-0001Qs-U1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 11:08:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HmoX3-0001Qj-8i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 11:08:57 +0100 Received: from heisenberg.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.141]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HmoX2-0006po-Ar for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 11:08:57 +0100 Received: from [82.68.18.174] (helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by heisenberg.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HmoX0-0000wt-36 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 10:08:55 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:09:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c7947d$aa5ef080$ae124452@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [82.68.18.174] X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.560 Subject: LF: RE: 500 kHz license refused in the Netherlands Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1659 Dick, sorry to hear that, but in a way it's understandable. Can I suggest that you contact Sioerd, PA0SHY, VERON HF Manager, and = bring his attention to the posting by Ulrich, DK4VW, DARC HF Manager, on the = IARU Region 1 HF Manager's reflector asking for support for the proposal by BNetzA (The German Administration) to have the matter of an Amateur band = at 600m put on the agenda for WRC2011. The BNetzA paper can be downloaded = from the HF Manager's reflector's files folder.=20 BNetZA are looking for other national administrations to support their proposal at the final WRC07 preparatory meeting later this month. = Ulrich, DK4VW, DARC HF Manager has done much of the work on encouraging the = BNetzA to put forward this proposal and is looking for the support of other national society HF Managers to contact their licensing administration = and give BNetzA their support. It's my understanding that Ofcom (UK) and = the Greek PTT have so far pledged to support this proposal. The workings of WRC are quite complex and seem slow. Before one can get anything agreed one has to get the issue put on the agenda and normally = to have completed some studies. Whilst the agenda for the WRC2011 was set = in outline a few years ago, there is a formal agenda item at WRC07 to = consider any last minute additions to the agenda. To get the matter of a 600m Amateur Band onto the agenda for WRC2011 has been the main focus of = activity by the IARU Region 1 500kHz Working Group and is supported by representatives from Regions 2 and 3. The work of the three beacons, = the US and more recently UK experimental access all contributes knowledge that might be seen as "studies"; certainly we will be drawing together = findings on propagation and harmonisation with other co- and adjacent-band users. Others reading this e-mail might consider trying to get their national administration to support the call for this being an agenda item at = WRC2011. If so the best action is to contact your national society (HF Manager) = and see if they are taking the appropriate action. I will be happy to = provide contact details if these are not know; please send me a direct e-mail if this is required (g3wkl@btinternet.com). 73 John, G3WKL -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dick Rollema Sent: 10 May 2007 09:45 To: LF-Group Subject: LF: 500 kHz license refused in the Netherlands To All from PA0SE, Our radio agency just has informed me that my application for=20 permission to use the 500 kHz band has been refused. The arguments are: 1. The band has not internationally been allocated as an amateurband=20 and also not in The Netherlands 2. The band is still being used for emergency, urgent and safety = traffic. It has therefore been decided that for the time being the band will=20 not be available for experiments by amateurs. A disappointing decision, but I had more or less expected this=20 knowing how our agency operates. 73, Dick, PA0SE=20