X-GM-THRID: 1234888028149353688 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.35.22.5 with SMTP id z5cs354053pyi; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.90.1 with SMTP id s1mr4076955ugl.1177795328572; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id p32si7309881ugc.2007.04.28.14.22.06; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HhuKl-0005C0-K2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 22:19:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HhuKl-0005Br-5a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 22:19:59 +0100 Received: from mx.omskcity.com ([82.200.88.2]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HhuKj-0003PR-HP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 22:19:58 +0100 Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host193.ttk-90.sotline.ru [82.200.90.193]) by mx.omskcity.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l3SLJePV075155 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 04:19:42 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA00332 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 03:58:10 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 03:58:10 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001901c78928$cd6e3f00$b22c7ad5@w4o8m9> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.498 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Filter expert needed - Mystery of the lost real zero. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2007 Dear Jim and group, On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, James Moritz wrote: > One classic way of designing a bandpass filter with a symmetrical response > is to start with a low-pass ladder filter (i.e. series inductors, shunt > capacitors) response with the desired bandwidth, ripple, etc., then to > perform "lowpass to bandpass transformation", which results in > each shunt C being replaced with a parallel LC with the original value > of C, and each series L being replaced by a series LC with the original > value of L. The other component in each LC has a value such that each LC is > resonant at the desired centre frequency. This gives a response with > the same bandwidth and shape as the original low-pass, but with perfect > geometrical symmetry about the centre frequency, i.e. if centre > frequency = fo, the response at k*fo is the same as at fo/k . IMHO this is true for narrow bandpass filters only. If bandpass is not narrow in comparison with central frequency then one can do LPF to BPF transformation also. But it is more complex and yelds not symmetrical response of BPF about central frequency. But all poles and zerros of prototype LPF are present anyway. For narrow band BPF impedance of sieries LC near \omega_0 is approximatly (!) Z=j*L'(\omega-\omega_0) which corresponds to Z=j*L*\omega of L in prototype LPF. Similary Z of paralel LC is aproximatly (!) Z=1/j*C'*(\omega-\omega_0) which corresponds to Z=1/j*C*\omega of C in prototype LPF. But this is only narrow band approximation. I can not easy remember general (without narrow band approximation) form of LPF to BPF transformation but shure it is posible and yelds some asymmetry in BPF response. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb