X-GM-THRID: 1234882642874746355 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.35.22.5 with SMTP id z5cs316881pyi; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.170.17 with SMTP id s17mr833861hue.1177675860245; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id x26si5383369ugc.2007.04.27.05.10.57; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HhPFN-0004nf-Qn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:08:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HhPFN-0004nW-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:08:21 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.208]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HhPFL-0006EH-Gb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:08:21 +0100 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.11.248]) by bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:08:12 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:08:12 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 207.46.11.254 by by124fd.bay124.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:08:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.208.238.175] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:08:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2007 12:08:12.0261 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA38F150:01C788C4] X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=1.053,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: LF: volts/meter? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1862 Does anyone have a prog that can "back track" field strength in say u/V into 50 ohms for ground wave inputting ground conductivity, freq etc with distance? Im trying to work out at 137Khz the following - on a quiet day light path, say noise at -110dbm or better into 50ohms, summer time conditions, Im receiving (did receive) wd2xdw in southern texas (Utopia W of San Antonio) at circa 500 miles at >-108 dBm - Actually I could read just the CW ID at this distance - Can we track back from the received level with any certainly +- say 3dB the associated ERP of the transmitting station at that distance given the received signal strength from a say uncalibrated receive antennae knowing just that at F Khz its likely the receive quiet day noise level is unlikely to be above N -dBm - and the rx sensitivity will always be better than that? I know there are tons of variability, and many dBs of variables involved in the path losses associated with the ground conductivity.. I notice using the USA conductivity map that XDW did a lot better than I expected in the directions associated with improved ground condiuctivity - no real suprises there but it was many dBs higher than I would have thought. Singapore - The good news here is that it looks like we have secured a top floor "penthouse" apartment- 4 floors up with space for external antennae and permission from the owner to run the radio station. Open to most directions :-)) CHeers Laurence 9V1 Singapore _________________________________________________________________ MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton John.� Enter to win today. http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline