X-GM-THRID: 1234291214381529110 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.35.22.8 with SMTP id z8cs199127pyi; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.116.2 with SMTP id t2mr4338012ugm.1177243928903; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c1si1923176ugf.2007.04.22.05.12.06; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HfasP-0006ox-Fh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:09:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HfasO-0006oo-QH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:09:08 +0100 Received: from cas-mta2-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.24] helo=mta-fe.casema.nl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HfasO-0002Rt-6t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:09:08 +0100 Received: from localhost (cas-filter3.mgmt.casema.nl [10.42.32.98]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E639B6004 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:09:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mta-fe.casema.nl ([10.42.32.24]) by localhost (cas-filter3.mgmt.casema.nl [10.42.32.211]) (amavisd-new, port 20024) with ESMTP id 27391-10 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:09:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from crazypeecee.casema.nl (5356F8BC.cable.casema.nl [83.86.248.188]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C696D588F for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:09:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:09:57 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Dick Rollema In-Reply-To: <004f01c783a3$90374e40$8b128351@w4o8m9> References: <004f01c783a3$90374e40$8b128351@w4o8m9> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20070422120902.C696D588F@mta-fe.casema.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at casema.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: More QRM from DLF and DCF39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1948 Dear LF Group, I also notice DCF 39 burst sidebands spreading into "our" band. It also seems to me they sound more aggressive than before. I measure its field strength at 2.4mV/m. It used to be 2 mV/m but the difference is too small to draw conclusions as regarding radiated power. 73, Dick PA0SE JO22GD At 01:28 21-4-2007, you wrote: >Dear Markus, LF Group, > >I have just liberated my computer from other duties to have a look for >EW6GB, and I seem to be hearing the DCF 39 extra-wide sidebands at around >137.7kHz here in the UK. The Hungarian "DCF" station has been putting >audible sidebands into the lower end of the band for some time, but this is >the first time I have noticed audible sidebands of the data bursts at the >upper end of the band as well! > >Cheers, Jim Moritz >73 de M0BMU > > >...My unconfirmed assumption is that the modulation parameters of DCF39 have >been changed towards even less pulse shaping. But an occupied bandwidth of >3.8 kHz for a 200 bd FSK signal would seem rather ridiculous! I would be >keen to know whether others are also seeing the annoying sidebands, and if >anyone in the group has contact information to the DCF transmitter operators >on site. > > >73 and Happy Easter, >Markus, DF6NM