X-GM-THRID: 1225239142703366709 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.58.13 with SMTP id g13cs64239wxa; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:31:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.248.5 with SMTP id v5mr1158164ugh.1168479101763; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:31:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id l33si158340ugc.2007.01.10.17.31.41; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:31:41 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1H4okp-00010s-Ly for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:29:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1H4oko-00010j-S8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:29:18 +0000 Received: from bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.80]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H4okk-00014c-55 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:29:18 +0000 Received: from BAY124-W59 ([207.46.11.222]) by bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:29:07 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [138.32.254.21] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: Laurence KL1X To: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:29:07 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2007 01:29:07.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3453390:01C7351F] X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=1.242,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e166c9ba-fa24-485d-aacd-58e39f5f8522_" Subject: LF: Overnight X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3030 --_e166c9ba-fa24-485d-aacd-58e39f5f8522_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another less than inspiring long haul night (10/11th)- DCF39/Buda still at= poor levels, but intermediate paths to 2000 miles are still up from "poor"= to "fair", but we start off well at dusk and signals gradually fall away = thru the night - or the night side is getting topped up with particles caus= ing attenuation later in the night.=20 =20 Its really odd and that last K8 event really did/still is producing strange= path affects. I left the main receiver and the Shanghai slinger on 505 fo= r Gus and Americas but a sproggie landed in the pass band. =20 The internet is still awful over here - typical down loads on a frac 0.5 E1= cct are 58K and upload at 1.8Kb which means my FTP loads of Argo grabs ove= rlap sometime or gets rejected. We are not sure when the Taiwan fiber will = be repaired but its really costing businesses a huge amount of lost time. S= hanghais showing some 70% of packet drops sometimes... love it. =20 Laurence PM01SF Sunny Shanghai 0C http://kl1x.com > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:10:55 -0500> From: w1tag@w1tag.com> To: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org> Subject: Re: LF: Re: T/A last night :onlly a few tra= ces XES> > Alan,> > Hartmut's copy is along the same lines...weak copy of J= ay early, and > then very little after that. I note that there was an area = of > thunderstorm activity in the central Mediterranean area, but that's > = quite a distance away.> > I like your multiple ring theory. It did seem tha= t signals recovered > very quickly from the Kp=3D8 event. It would be nice = to have some other > data that supports the concept.> > For those that foll= ow the http://www.spaceweather.com site: Some of the > main page data is no= t being properly refreshed, and is a couple of days > out of date. The unde= rlying graphs are correct, though.> > One correction from last night: XES d= id not go on the air until 0405. I > was a bit sleepy when I made out the l= og entry. It should be on by 0300 > tonight.> > JA> > Alan Melia wrote:> > = Hi John I did have static type interference here much worse that earlier in= > > the week. I have the characteristic vertical streaks.....the levels may= have> > been more continuous with Jean-Pierre. Extra-terrestrial noise wou= ld not be> > able to penetrate the ionosphere, and there doesnt seem to be = much auroral> > activity at present. It could of course be "favourable fadi= ng", only in this> > case favouring maybe eastern European noise source pro= pagation. Signals here> > were down but I only started captures about 0100z= .> > > > There is a sign in Steve's plot, if you remove the 0700 peak, that= levels> > were dropping steadily from about 0330z. This effect is confirme= d by> > Laurence. I wonder if this just means that the Ring Current is not = depleted> > of electrons yet and is still exchanging them with the D-layer.= The storm> > that started it all was cited as "severe" (Kp=3D8) and we hav= e seen in> > previous years a storm of that magnitude delay propagation rec= overy by> > upwards of 28 days. What was a surprise was the relatively shal= low dip in> > Dst it produced (only down to -160nT, when we could quite eas= ily have> > expented -300nT) and then the very rapid initial "recovery".> >= > > I do not have the expertise to pontificate on this but I am wondering>= > whether, because there are several "orbits" in the Ring Current, these> = > severe storms populate the outer (higher energy?) ones more heavily and> = > these electrons take longer to decay to an energy where they can be> > pr= ecipitated. It is undoubtedly much more complex than that (it always is> > = !!).....but it makes a good simple story !!> > > > Thanks to all for all th= e data and reports without which, it would be> > impossible to concoct thes= e "off the wall" theories.....even if they are> > hopelessy incorrect it is= great fun !> > > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK> > ----- Original Message -----> >= From: John Andrews > > To: = > > Sent: 10 January 2007 11:58> > Subject: Re: LF: Re: T/A last night :onl= ly a few traces XES> > > > > >> Jean-Pierre, Jay,> >>> >> XES did not go on= the air until 0305 UTC last night. I am puzzled as to> >> why conditions w= ere so poor for both stations. It will be interesting to> >> see Hartmut's = report.> >>> >> John Andrews> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > > > > >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Try amazing new 3D maps http://maps.live.com/?wip=3D51= --_e166c9ba-fa24-485d-aacd-58e39f5f8522_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Another less than inspiring long haul night  (10/11th)- DCF3= 9/Buda still at poor levels, but intermediate paths to 2000 miles are still= up from "poor" to "fair", but we start off well at dusk and  signals = gradually fall away thru the night - or the night side is getting topped up= with particles causing attenuation later in the night.
 
Its really odd and that last K8 event really did/still is producing st= range path affects. I left the main receiver and the Shanghai slinger = on  505 for Gus and Americas but a sproggie landed in the pass band.  
The internet is still awful over here - typical down loads on a frac 0= .5 E1 cct are 58K and upload at 1.8Kb which means my FTP loads of= Argo grabs overlap sometime or gets rejected. We are not sure when the Tai= wan fiber will be repaired but its really costing businesses a huge am= ount of lost time. Shanghais showing some 70% of packet drops sometimes... = love it.
 
Laurence  PM01SF Sunny Shanghai 0C
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> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:10:55 -0500
> From: w1tag@w1tag.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: T/A las= t night :onlly a few traces XES
>
> Alan,
>
> Har= tmut's copy is along the same lines...weak copy of Jay early, and
> = then very little after that. I note that there was an area of
> thun= derstorm activity in the central Mediterranean area, but that's
> qu= ite a distance away.
>
> I like your multiple ring theory. It = did seem that signals recovered
> very quickly from the Kp=3D8 event= . It would be nice to have some other
> data that supports the conce= pt.
>
> For those that follow the http://www.spaceweather.com = site: Some of the
> main page data is not being properly refreshed, = and is a couple of days
> out of date. The underlying graphs are cor= rect, though.
>
> One correction from last night: XES did not = go on the air until 0405. I
> was a bit sleepy when I made out the l= og entry. It should be on by 0300
> tonight.
>
> JA
= >
> Alan Melia wrote:
> > Hi John I did have static type= interference here much worse that earlier in
> > the week. I have= the characteristic vertical streaks.....the levels may have
> > b= een more continuous with Jean-Pierre. Extra-terrestrial noise would not be<= BR>> > able to penetrate the ionosphere, and there doesnt seem to be = much auroral
> > activity at present. It could of course be "favou= rable fading", only in this
> > case favouring maybe eastern Europ= ean noise source propagation. Signals here
> > were down but I onl= y started captures about 0100z.
> >
> > There is a sign = in Steve's plot, if you remove the 0700 peak, that levels
> > were= dropping steadily from about 0330z. This effect is confirmed by
> &g= t; Laurence. I wonder if this just means that the Ring Current is not deple= ted
> > of electrons yet and is still exchanging them with the D-l= ayer. The storm
> > that started it all was cited as "severe" (Kp= =3D8) and we have seen in
> > previous years a storm of that magni= tude delay propagation recovery by
> > upwards of 28 days. What wa= s a surprise was the relatively shallow dip in
> > Dst it produced= (only down to -160nT, when we could quite easily have
> > expente= d -300nT) and then the very rapid initial "recovery".
> >
>= > I do not have the expertise to pontificate on this but I am wondering=
> > whether, because there are several "orbits" in the Ring Curre= nt, these
> > severe storms populate the outer (higher energy?) on= es more heavily and
> > these electrons take longer to decay to an= energy where they can be
> > precipitated. It is undoubtedly much= more complex than that (it always is
> > !!).....but it makes a g= ood simple story !!
> >
> > Thanks to all for all the da= ta and reports without which, it would be
> > impossible to concoc= t these "off the wall" theories.....even if they are
> > hopelessy= incorrect it is great fun !
> >
> > Cheers de Alan G3NY= K
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Andrews= <w1tag@w1tag.com>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&= gt;
> > Sent: 10 January 2007 11:58
> > Subject: Re: LF: = Re: T/A last night :onlly a few traces XES
> >
> >
&= gt; >> Jean-Pierre, Jay,
> >>
> >> XES did no= t go on the air until 0305 UTC last night. I am puzzled as to
> >&= gt; why conditions were so poor for both stations. It will be interesting t= o
> >> see Hartmut's report.
> >>
> >> = John Andrews
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >= ;>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > =
>
>


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