X-GM-THRID: 1225186437573260543 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.58.13 with SMTP id g13cs46179wxa; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.19.13 with SMTP id w13mr854485ugi.1168456274431; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:11:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o30si42733400ugd.2007.01.10.11.11.13; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1H4inT-0007Ft-Iv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:07:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1H4inS-0007Fk-Md for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:07:38 +0000 Received: from smtpauth01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.181]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H4inM-0008SH-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:07:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 8796 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 19:07:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpauth01-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.181) with ESMTP; 10 Jan 2007 19:07:18 -0000 Message-ID: <45A53A3F.7060904@w1tag.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:10:55 -0500 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <45A4A564.3040002@online.fr> <002101c734aa$cc140fe0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <45A4D4F4.4030906@w1tag.com> <007b01c734ca$ea77b3e0$0300a8c0@lark> In-Reply-To: <007b01c734ca$ea77b3e0$0300a8c0@lark> X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.774 Subject: Re: LF: Re: T/A last night :onlly a few traces XES Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3478 Alan, Hartmut's copy is along the same lines...weak copy of Jay early, and then very little after that. I note that there was an area of thunderstorm activity in the central Mediterranean area, but that's quite a distance away. I like your multiple ring theory. It did seem that signals recovered very quickly from the Kp=8 event. It would be nice to have some other data that supports the concept. For those that follow the http://www.spaceweather.com site: Some of the main page data is not being properly refreshed, and is a couple of days out of date. The underlying graphs are correct, though. One correction from last night: XES did not go on the air until 0405. I was a bit sleepy when I made out the log entry. It should be on by 0300 tonight. JA Alan Melia wrote: > Hi John I did have static type interference here much worse that earlier in > the week. I have the characteristic vertical streaks.....the levels may have > been more continuous with Jean-Pierre. Extra-terrestrial noise would not be > able to penetrate the ionosphere, and there doesnt seem to be much auroral > activity at present. It could of course be "favourable fading", only in this > case favouring maybe eastern European noise source propagation. Signals here > were down but I only started captures about 0100z. > > There is a sign in Steve's plot, if you remove the 0700 peak, that levels > were dropping steadily from about 0330z. This effect is confirmed by > Laurence. I wonder if this just means that the Ring Current is not depleted > of electrons yet and is still exchanging them with the D-layer. The storm > that started it all was cited as "severe" (Kp=8) and we have seen in > previous years a storm of that magnitude delay propagation recovery by > upwards of 28 days. What was a surprise was the relatively shallow dip in > Dst it produced (only down to -160nT, when we could quite easily have > expented -300nT) and then the very rapid initial "recovery". > > I do not have the expertise to pontificate on this but I am wondering > whether, because there are several "orbits" in the Ring Current, these > severe storms populate the outer (higher energy?) ones more heavily and > these electrons take longer to decay to an energy where they can be > precipitated. It is undoubtedly much more complex than that (it always is > !!).....but it makes a good simple story !! > > Thanks to all for all the data and reports without which, it would be > impossible to concoct these "off the wall" theories.....even if they are > hopelessy incorrect it is great fun ! > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Andrews > To: > Sent: 10 January 2007 11:58 > Subject: Re: LF: Re: T/A last night :onlly a few traces XES > > >> Jean-Pierre, Jay, >> >> XES did not go on the air until 0305 UTC last night. I am puzzled as to >> why conditions were so poor for both stations. It will be interesting to >> see Hartmut's report. >> >> John Andrews >> >> >> >> > > > > >