X-GM-THRID: 1225152209020048387 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.58.13 with SMTP id g13cs235402wxa; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.170.17 with SMTP id s17mr1215911hue.1168699747522; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:49:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 3si1899885huc.2007.01.13.06.49.06; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:49:07 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1H5k9G-0007xb-LY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:46:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1H5k9G-0007xS-2R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:46:22 +0000 Received: from smtpout0182.sc1.he.tucows.com ([64.97.136.182] helo=n064.sc1.he.tucows.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H5k9D-0006qX-0T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:46:22 +0000 Received: from g3kev (62.252.232.139) by n064.sc1.he.tucows.com (7.2.069.1) id 457F14A5001F5909 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:46:07 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c73721$8e8b22c0$8be8fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: References: <000b01c734ed$af2cf0c0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <005d01c734f2$5ac5f040$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> <003701c735a9$1a79bf00$17ccfc3e@g3kev> <000501c7362b$573a4a40$2fe8fc3e@g3kev> <45A78E5B.7040306@att.net> <45A7ADB5.2000002@w1tag.com> <000801c73669$1a88fe00$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:45:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: East to West TA attempts Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C73721.79B34A30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3164 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C73721.79B34A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jay Rusgrove=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:45 PM Subject: Re: LF: East to West TA attempts All 2 cents... I'm beginning to wonder if we're not looking at this backwards.. Jay I'll give it 10 cents. I believe you are right. On reflection this = band is a waste of time for amateurs with their small antennas and low = power.=20 In the commercial business they use megawatts and very large antennas = to achieve their object. We tried to re invent the wheel. To get 2 cents worth of dashes per month is a poor return for the = effort!!!!!!!!! G3KEV What I mean by that is, we're focusing on the current poor conditions = as abnormal. It appears abnormal when compared to the few good nights of = propagation we had about a week ago. Perhaps the few good nights were = the anomoly and not the current poor conditions. My reason for saying this is that I've looked over the past couple = years notes on my TA receptions. In past years, assuming DST numbers = today are equivelenet to those in past years (which may or may not be = the case), I rarely if ever had a decent TA reception when the DST was = in negative territory.=20 To me, last weekend's good TA propagation with a DST of -20 or -15 = would be very unusual - using the past history as a guide. 2 cents...take it for what it's worth... Jay W1VD / WD2XNS =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Andrews=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:48 AM Subject: Re: LF: East to West TA attempts All, I wouldn't recommend losing sleep trying to get signals across at = this=20 point. Conditions are quite poor, and may not get better quickly, as = the=20 flow from a coronal hole will kick in around Monday. Jay and I will=20 likely be running enough over the weekend to see how things are = going.=20 I'd be hesitant to put a timetable on the recovery, as this week's=20 propagation crash is not fully understood. John A. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C73721.79B34A30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jay=20 Rusgrove
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 = 4:45=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: East to West = TA=20 attempts

All
 
2 cents...
 
I'm beginning to wonder if we're not = looking=20 at this backwards..
 
Jay
I'll give it 10 cents. I believe you = are right.=20 On reflection this band is a waste of time for amateurs with their = small=20 antennas and low power.
In the commercial business they use = megawatts and=20 very large antennas to achieve their object. We tried to re invent the = wheel.
To get 2 cents worth of dashes per = month is a=20 poor return for the effort!!!!!!!!!
G3KEV
 
 
What I mean by that is, = we're focusing=20 on the current poor conditions as abnormal. It appears=20 abnormal when compared to the few good nights of propagation we = had about=20 a week ago. Perhaps the few good nights were the anomoly and not the = current=20 poor conditions.
 
My reason for saying this is that = I've looked=20 over the past couple years notes on my TA receptions. In past years, = assuming=20 DST numbers today are equivelenet to those in past years (which may=20 or may not be the case), I rarely if ever had a decent TA = reception=20 when the DST was in negative territory. 
 
To me, last weekend's good TA = propagation with a=20 DST of  -20 or -15 would be very unusual = - using the=20 past history as a guide.
 
2 cents...take it for what it's=20 worth...
 
Jay W1VD / WD2XNS
 
   
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John = Andrews=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Friday, January 12, = 2007 10:48=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: East to West = TA=20 attempts

All,

I wouldn't recommend losing sleep trying = to get=20 signals across at this
point. Conditions are quite poor, and may = not get=20 better quickly, as the
flow from a coronal hole will kick in = around=20 Monday. Jay and I will
likely be running enough over the weekend = to see=20 how things are going.
I'd be hesitant to put a timetable on the=20 recovery, as this week's
propagation crash is not fully=20 understood.

John = A.

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