X-GM-THRID: 1220422427979444373 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: e19c50394ee575e09713d46bb0ade8abbd2a7608 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.28.15 with SMTP id b15cs176470wxb; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:00:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.157.8 with SMTP id f8mr3614186hue.1163890842483; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:00:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 3si5520308hud.2006.11.18.15.00.40; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:00:42 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1GlZ88-0001mu-Vs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 22:57:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1GlZ88-0001ml-Hv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 22:57:48 +0000 Received: from smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.62]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GlZAJ-0006X0-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:00:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 53880 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2006 22:57:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=AH5pmUudM4Hd4lts9JJw7B4SGqvLi1+ftwSSd0Jv1x2M49rvvXfO4QvatLTMIGX6Fn2rOvfNIF+4DFIwEsfMTUGv/wfehvwZMHgjq4lJxvnXpRlp5F17qKuAxA0g5jCz3IgOZxNQsMlGsufmbIWIOvWixcIkFLII3z9Efsjw5Bo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.56.49 with login) by smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2006 22:57:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: y5aWV10VM1mfDi3fbYNz6ACFfHQC7WsJlfl1xU1xMw.KOkoZswLi1oMUzVFVvsFCCBC_NzgbeG8XC.aD4hcFmlua_fSP_Rz6pGX3XarBvi9BZaXzlQY- Message-ID: <002f01c70b64$efc44140$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <111820062140.10929.455F7DB40008434500002AB122064244130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 22:57:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: WD2XGJ tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3743 Hi Both, What is more interesting is that the darkness shadow at 100km altitude is still about 2000km east of Warren at that time. So he is either hefting a signal over on a single hop (at least to the UK) or he is D-layer bouncing it into the darkness zone. I have my doubts about this last explanation as the absorption increases just before sunset. You should see him dip down in strength and then comup to full strength as the two hop path becomes fully dark, This will occur around local sunset, but the darkness shadow at 100km altitude will still be 1000km east of Warren.....the position for the first skywave "bounce". It is quite interesting how accurately this ties up with the simple geometry. http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/geometry.htm Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23 To: ; Cc: Gary - G4WGT Sent: 18 November 2006 21:40 Subject: Re: LF: RE: WD2XGJ tonight > Hi Gary, > > > Same here from 2030 UTC but weak. > > Thanks for the report, 20:30 was still daylight here, sunset is 21:20 UTC today. > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23 > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Gary - G4WGT" > > Hi Warren & LF, > > > > Same here from 2030 UTC but weak. > > > > 73 > > > > Gary - G4WGT- IO83qp > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Hartmut Wolff > > Sent: 18 November 2006 20:48 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: WD2XGJ tonight > > > > XGJ visible here since about 20:10 UTC. > > > > 73 > > Hartmut > > www.h-wolff.de > > Locator: JO52hp > > > > > >