X-GM-THRID: 1216474328156915870 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 7aa06c1eedd04a68fb3294570ad1b3ba579221b3 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.185.17 with SMTP id i17cs151722huf; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.91.6 with SMTP id t6mr3778913ugl; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 54si2588957ugp.2006.10.06.13.39.40; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1GVwOA-00032V-J8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:33:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1GVwO9-00032M-W3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:33:46 +0100 Received: from nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.41]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1GVwO4-0005Kx-Sq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:33:45 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013814D341 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 22:33:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp02.kuleuven.be (lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.72]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528914D3C3 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 22:33:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp02.kuleuven.be (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2836D2CAACE; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 22:33:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail1.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail1.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.3]) by smtp02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FD92CAA34 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 22:33:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail1.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 6CDF21A9834; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 22:33:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 237.89-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (237.89-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.200.89.237]) by webmail3.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:33:32 +0200 Message-ID: <20061006223332.da7rnmsp1h0cc0s4@webmail3.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:33:32 +0200 From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c6e8f1$aff10b10$6801a8c0@Radio> <00c901c6e919$dd77ada0$e9ce28c3@captbrian> <4526310D.3010902@w1tag.com> <01a401c6e96a$39b97b20$e9ce28c3@captbrian> In-Reply-To: <01a401c6e96a$39b97b20$e9ce28c3@captbrian> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.200.89.237 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.025,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Re: erp ierp VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4032 Hello Bryan, ERP, EIRP, EMRP ... It's just a matter of what reference antenna you take ERP is the power which would be required to be fed to an 1/2 WAVE =20 DIPOLE antenna to achieve the same field strength at the same distance as is generated by the antenna under discussion in the centre of its main lobe FEEDING 1 =20 WATT INTO THE ANTENNA. EIRP: as above but replace 1/2 WAVE DIPOLE by ISOTROPIC EMRP: as above but replace 1/2 WAVE DIPOLE by VERTICAL MONOPOLE 73, Rik ON7YD Quoting captbrian : > Gentlemen, > > I have long been fully familiar with 'isotropic antenna ' and 'Effective > Radiated Power.' ......indeed I hope no-one can get a transmitting licence > without such knowledge but......... > > ERP is the power which would be required to be fed to an isotropic antenna > to achieve the same field strength at the same distance as is generated by > the antenna under discussion in the centre of its main lobe. > > for example: an antenna with a gain of 10db fed with one watt of power ha= s > an ERP of 10 watts. > > However "Effective_ Isotropic_ Radiated Power" is ..........what ? > > Bryan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Andrews" > To: > Sent: 06 October 2006 11:33 > Subject: Re: LF: Re: erp ierp VY1JA > > >> Bryan, >> >> As others have pointed out, the "I" is for isotropic, a theoretical >> radiator that sends the same signal in all directions. A 3-D model of >> the radiation pattern would be a sphere. The far field of a dipole has >> no signal off the ends, and hence has gain in the favoured direction (at >> right angles to the dipole). The 3-D model would be a donut (without >> chocolate frosting). >> >> John A. >> >> captbrian wrote: >> > What is I in IERP ? >> >> > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm