X-GM-THRID: 1216474328156915870 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 1fffb5596e1ef46f9504b3243e8743eeecac1555 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.205.5 with SMTP id c5cs134789hug; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr5843161ugl; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 12:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j33si632594ugc.2006.10.08.12.04.36; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 12:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1GWduS-00037m-FP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 20:02:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1GWduS-00037d-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 20:02:00 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.12]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GWduP-0005GS-64 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 20:02:00 +0100 Received: from tnt-2-152.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.152] helo=captbrian) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1GWdtA-0008LT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 20:00:41 +0100 Message-ID: <008b01c6eb0c$0ead2140$21c428c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <000701c6e8f1$aff10b10$6801a8c0@Radio><00c901c6e919$dd77ada0$e9ce28c3@captbrian><4526310D.3010902@w1tag.com><01a401c6e96a$39b97b20$e9ce28c3@captbrian><20061006223332.da7rnmsp1h0cc0s4@webmail3.kuleuven.be><025201c6e9d8$16b4e740$e9ce28c3@captbrian> <20061007173304.z61ztib4vv4s848w@webmail3.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:00:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.005 Subject: Re: LF: Re: erp ierp VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4029 Well I always thought there was a large loss depending on the extent to which polarisation differed between emitter and recvr.? This is from qsl.net: :-....... Notes Polarization Mismatch Loss (dB) = 20 * log10(cos D) Where D is the misalignment angle between the two antennas. Polarization Mismatch Between Two Linearly Polarized Waves as a Function of Angular Orientation Orientation Angle Polarization Mismatch (dB) 0.0 (aligned) 0.0 15.0 0.3 30.0 1.3 45.0 3.0 60.0 6.0 75.0 12.0 90.0 (orthogonal) infinite (real world varies 20-35 dB) bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: 07 October 2006 16:33 Subject: Re: LF: Re: erp ierp VY1JA > Hello Bryan, > > > thank you ........and is this comparison half-wave antenna vertical or > > horizontal ? Are there limits about how far away is the 'notional > > measuring' position . > > The reference antennas for ERP and EIRP are considered to be in free > space, polarisation does not matter. > The reference antenna for EMRP is considered to be over a perfect ground. > > 73, Rik > > > > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm > > >