X-GM-THRID: 1214365125472893646 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 2b589b87f2dbc2b8a109485686f5c2a6e40722fd Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.20 with SMTP id x20cs865692qbh; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.254.10 with SMTP id b10mr10612251nfi; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c28si2410257nfb.2006.09.13.00.41.09; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1GNPHX-0004tP-K4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:35:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1GNPHX-0004tG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:35:39 +0100 Received: from rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.42]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1GNPHS-0005YD-1E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:35:38 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638971D7746 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:35:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps01 (octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.71]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26501D77A4 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:35:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps01 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps01 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3CB2E68F9; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:35:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by smtps01 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6CC2E68F5 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:35:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20060913094110.012db8d8@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: u0019445@u0019445.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:48:02 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <009e01c6d6ce$c7e7c4a0$8fce28c3@captbrian> References: <005d01c6d5d8$af2493e0$721686d4@captbrian> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.781 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: RE: Strange detector Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4378 I guess that's because the ERP is far field power while the "stolen power" (via the HF antenna) comes from the near field energy power. Or otherwise: the 4 Watt is not radiated from the LF-antenna to the HF-antenna but capacitive coupled. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 01:51 13/09/2006 +0100, you wrote: >what puzzles me is that you can energise a bulb [300 ma x 12.6volts?] at >nearly 4 watts with an ERP of less than 1 watt...........;-)) > >G3GVB > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "captbrian" >To: >Sent: 11 September 2006 20:30 >Subject: LF: Re: RE: Strange detector > > > > You have been lucky so far. I would disconnect HF antenna pdq before > > LF-ing. > > > > Bryan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gary - G4WGT" > > To: > > Sent: 11 September 2006 13:49 > > Subject: LF: RE: Strange detector > > > > > > > Hi J & LF, > > > > > > I have a Yaesu FT-747GX & when I Tx LF I see a light shining out of the > > back > > > slots onto the wall from the Rx antenna fuse bulb. Yes the bulb is lit >to > > > full brilliance, the operation FT-747GX doesn't appear to have been > > > effected. LF RF is being picked up on the HF antenna. > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of J. Allen > > > Sent: 11 September 2006 05:38 > > > To: LF (RSGB); LowFER at LW Cafe > > > Subject: LF: Strange detector > > > > > > > > > Haloo Group, > > > > > > I wonder how many here have similar oddities to share.... > > > > > > Another part of my hobby is contesting... I have a RAT PAK remote >antenna > > > switch which mounts on the tower which is used for LF. The RAT PAK > > although > > > not in use on LF has a set of six LEDs to indicate which antenna has >been > > > selected in the shack during HF operation. > > > > > > This is where the odd indication comes in. Whenever the LF transmitter > > > keys, all six LEDs glow softly and the brilliance of the LEDs increase > > with > > > the power level. It makes a nice indicator that the beacon is working >and > > > putting out reasonable power. The first time I keyed down with more >than > > 50 > > > watts, it was quite a surprise. 150 Watts glow at what looks like 1/10 >of > > > brilliance. > > > > > > Now lets calculate... if 400 watts turns out to really be 1 W ierp here, > > > full brilliance would mean how many dB above legal limit? :o) > > > > > > J. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm