X-GM-THRID: 1214438974300945886 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: dd9c0ac402fa63bd2729a48fc579bd4e20511d07 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.20 with SMTP id x20cs933810qbh; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.41.12 with SMTP id t12mr12066233nfj; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y24si19331963nfb.2006.09.14.06.05.57; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1GNqr6-0001IW-PS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:02:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1GNqr6-0001IN-8B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:02:12 +0100 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GNqr2-0005JZ-FL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:02:12 +0100 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060914130202.XPYF1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:02:02 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060914130201.EDTI11710.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:02:01 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:01:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <450960D6.28974.2A2F3D@localhost> In-reply-to: <006a01c6d771$a53c3320$20be3b3e@fujitsu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.394,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: the use of long radials Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5502 I used a very long radial (300m) in a field outside my home, but it had little effect and did not improve on my few earth stakes. On portable expeditions to GW, I have used radial wires with some success, especially where the soil was poor. I suggest you use two or three earth stakes (perhaps 1m long) close to the bottom of the vertical section, then one or two wires under the top section. I agree with Alan that the biggest problem most expeditions have is with receiving. Will you have e-mail available on site? This can be useful for sked and activity news. Mike, G3XDV ========== > Anyone knows if it makes sence to use some long radials 100-300m long > in combination with a spiral-coil toploaded vertical with 4x20m > toploading wires. Or is this just wasting time and wire...... > > Dick, pa4vhf