X-GM-THRID: 1213996526387562914 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: f7bc184f79ea6a7a4ecf9d3c69f70240813f738c Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.20 with SMTP id x20cs843966qbh; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.75.2 with SMTP id c2mr10197903nfl; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o45si5074060nfa.2006.09.12.13.45.22; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1GNF2C-0002xG-0X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:39:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1GNF2B-0002x7-9c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:39:07 +0100 Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.206]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1GNF26-00037R-Rk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:39:07 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id l.3a4.36be2d9 (41810) for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:38:54 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <3a4.36be2d9.323874dd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:38:53 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.100,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Big signal with hum... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3a4.36be2d9.323874dd_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4641 --part1_3a4.36be2d9.323874dd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Wolfgang, for a quick comparison, I set up SpecLab's generator for 100 Hz squarewave=20 FM, 170 Hz shift. The first five lines on either side were nearly identical=20= to=20 those in the observed EFR spectrum. Bandlimiting (or shaping) sets in at 600= =20 Hz, with something like 10 to 15 dB down at 1.1 kHz offset. I think those ha= rd=20 transitions are also present on DCF39. As the operational data bursts will appear only every 10 seconds or so, the=20 impact on straight CW may finally be not that bad. Get nine characters, drop= =20 one :-( 73 and regards Markus In einer eMail vom 12.09.2006 21:42:54 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt= =20 dl4yhf@freenet.de:=20 > Hi Markus and all, >=20 > I heard the signal today and wondered why it's so broad - don't they=20 > apply amplitude shaping to the baseband signal before modulating it, or=20 > what do you think ? > I couldn't record the signal when I heard it but it sounded very harsh=20 > to me, almost like deliberately to produce broad sidebands. > Still I don't like the idea to have to use a 'puter to get rid of this=20 > on 136.5 in CW ;-) >=20 > 73, > Wolf DL4YHF=20 --part1_3a4.36be2d9.323874dd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Wolfgang,

for a quick comparison, I set up SpecLab's generator for 100 Hz squarewave F= M, 170 Hz shift. The first five lines on either side were nearly identical t= o those in the observed EFR spectrum. Bandlimiting (or shaping) sets in at 6= 00 Hz, with something like 10 to 15 dB down at 1.1 kHz offset. I think those= hard transitions are also present on DCF39.

As the operational data bursts will appear only every 10 seconds or so, the=20= impact on straight CW may finally be not that bad. Get nine characters, drop= one :-(

73 and regards
Markus

In einer eMail vom 12.09.2006 21:42:54 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt= dl4yhf@freenet.de:

Hi Markus and all,

I heard the signal today and wondered why it's so broad - don't they
apply amplitude shaping to the baseband signal before modulating it, or
what do you think ?
I couldn't record the signal when I heard it but it sounded very harsh
to me, almost like deliberately to produce broad sidebands.
Still I don't like the idea to have to use a 'puter to get rid of this
on 136.5 in CW ;-)

73,
Wolf DL4YHF


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