X-GM-THRID: 1213996526387562914 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c0ca08b7a2b2f189b38ba4e8bc6513237af6c08e Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.20 with SMTP id x20cs834842qbh; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.21.8 with SMTP id y8mr9936575nfi; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r34si5320193nfc.2006.09.12.10.30.13; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: error (gmail.com: error in processing during lookup of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org: DNS timeout) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1GNC2Z-000255-Gd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:27:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1GNC2Y-00024w-QB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:27:18 +0100 Received: from mxout02.versatel.de ([212.7.152.119]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1GNC2U-00023Q-KD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:27:18 +0100 Received: from mx04.versatel.de (mx01.versatel.de [212.7.146.1]) by mxout02.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8CHRDEF016801 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:27:13 +0200 Received: from localhost ([62.214.100.62]) by mx04.versatel.de (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8CHRDsR018048 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:27:13 +0200 Received: from i577a6a52.versanet.de (i577a6a52.versanet.de [87.122.106.82]) by webmail.versatel.de (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:27:13 +0200 Message-ID: <20060912192713.r8o0kcznji9b4gws@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:27:13 +0200 From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <45028DB2.2070608@xs4all.nl> <8C8A3D808589E00-630-AE8@mblk-d27.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C8A3D808589E00-630-AE8@mblk-d27.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.818,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Big signal with hum... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4644 Zitat von markusvester@aol.com: > > Dear LF, > > the "big buzzer" is on again today... it's most certainly the EFR > transmitter at Budapest-Lakihegy, 135.6 kHz: > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&hl=3Dde&q=3D47+22+17+N,+19+00+22+E&ie= =3DUTF8&z=3D18&ll=3D47.373866,19.004492&spn=3D0.003426,0.005488&t=3Dk&om=3D= 1 > > Several times I could hear relatively weak sweep signals, probably > generated by a network analyzer used for antenna testing. Most of the > high power tests were apparently applying a continuous 010101 > sequence at 202.55 baud FSK, causing the hum-like sidebands. Reducing > the receiver gain by 7 dB cleared up the severe overloading effects > on the LF grabber. This left a set of thin red lines spaced at 101 > Hz, reaching up to about 136.7 kHz. However with real data, the > sidebands will smear out and clutter the lower half of the band > during the telegrams. > > > Spectrum taken 06-09-11 6:41, 135.600 kHz at 1100 Hz. > > Assuming that we will have to live with this beast, I wonder if there > is a way to extract its teeth. A signal processing software could > decode the data, model the filter transfer function and estimate the > FSK transition times. Then one could generate a local replica of the > signal, and use that to cancel it. Seems related to a key-click > filter algorithm ( http://www.dxatlas.com/Rocky/ ) - has anyone in > the group tried to implement something similar? > > Kind regards > Markus, DF6NM > > > > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: nl9222@xs4all.nl > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Verschickt: Sa., 9.Sept.2006, 11:47 > Thema: Re: LF: Big signal with hum... > > > Dave G3WCB wrote: >> Anybody else notice the ghastly big signal with 50Hz hum bars on around >> 135,500 kHz? It's been on and off all evening, and is on at the moment >> (2250z) >> > I thought it was local to me, but it also appears on Marcus's grabber = :-( >> > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > > Dave and all > The signal here was S9 + 50dB, "blackening" the whole band > See images ... if they make it here > Full band image still is on the grabber [time is in utc] > http://www.xs4all.nl/~nl9222/136grab.htm > > Hopefully this device has been selfdestructed ;-) > 73 de Ko, NL9222 > > > > Hi Markus and Ko, was the station off today? if so, I have a problem. regards Uwe/dj8wx