X-GM-THRID: 1214633067371204806 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 5b129271491da66c98a185db1c12acd6865cf096 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.20 with SMTP id x20cs1027695qbh; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.29.3 with SMTP id g3mr13972767nfj; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x27si341245nfb.2006.09.15.16.52.39; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1GONPZ-0001cJ-ND for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:47:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1GONPZ-0001cA-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:47:57 +0100 Received: from smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.72]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1GONPT-0000n2-Ue for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:47:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 73572 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 23:47:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=n8G/TFNvY7eRsBmnpKvJOJ6zuNMhIHBwLOjMU4r/DE8J+ooM7T7NBDYPCi5UTo5ymneGHTL9pFDEm5oqecS4D88kDYWf73gJ9wHLsu2Zf5suFxtZIL8DQpXF6ZzYVx1xQiBLBHbC/33TBKIMVT1D+y5+w0WPEQaGFJG/dQbtQ9Q= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.35.193 with login) by smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 23:47:45 -0000 Message-ID: <00ec01c6d921$57d40a20$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:47:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.764 Subject: LF: Simple path-loss calculation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4419 After kicking this idea around for over a year privately with various members of the group, I have decided to hoist it up the flag-pole to be shot at ! I have read many attempts at calculating the LF field strengths expected from a distant LF transmitter, and they all seem to have been over complicated or give wildly inaccurate answers compared with our (amateur) measurements. This included John Adcock's article which I think derives figures from the CCIR recommendations. I am not greatly interested in paths of less that 1500km, this is intended to assess DX paths. After a lot of staring at my daily data plots, gallantly collected by Brian CT1DRP, I derived a simple proceedure which will give a rough estimate of the expected signal level. The calculation is ludicrous, in fact I called it "Silly.htm" originally, and it was a bit of a joke. It does however give a useful figure which is, by my reckoning, not that far out. You must consider that signal levels can vary by up to + / -6dB in daytime and around + / - 12dB at night due to fading and geomagnetic activity, so there is not too much point in trying to be more accurate than that. Shoot holes in it ......tell me where its wrong, but give the data to back up your assertions. If it doesnt sink, riddled with holes, we might be able to refine it to give better agreement with results. Do bear in mind it is based on three years observations ! Thanks again Brian ! Find the explanation at http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/simple.htm Cheers de Alan G3NYK