X-GM-THRID: 1214346580855132651 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: e5729f9101b9f24515dde39bf5cf9bae4e235b4f Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.20 with SMTP id x20cs841561qbh; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.75.2 with SMTP id c2mr10141518nfl; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id z73si15630305nfb.2006.09.12.12.59.04; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1GNELy-0002iR-Kg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:55:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1GNELx-0002iI-UR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:55:29 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.187]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1GNELr-0002tl-HL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:55:29 +0100 Received: from [217.251.227.226] (helo=W1KW) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1GNELn3Uk7-0003lp; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:55:20 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c6d6a5$63aa9770$0100a8c0@W1KW> From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" To: References: <001601c6d696$c0970900$86be3b3e@fujitsu> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:55:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:a8046abf013a2aee3cd9c470ba16bfdf X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.016,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 136kHz stns list--power Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C6D6B6.24F73310" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4330 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C6D6B6.24F73310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Dick, looong ago I plotted the signal strength of all the stations that I had = received on 136 kHz (http://www.qru.de/stnhrd.htm) against the distance = (see http://www.qru.de/signals.html). Also Dick, PA0SE added some of his = data to this analysis. It gave a pretty interesting picture about the = distribution of the output ower of the European LF stations at that = time. This should have changed in the meantime (for example because = Germany alsoo has the permission to run 1 W ERP). It might be = interesting to do such a list and plot again and compare it to the = antenna and power that a station is using. Best 73 Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO P.S.: I am currently not readily QRV on LF because my antenna is = occupied by DI2BO on 440 kHz. Other thank that: 350 Watt output and the = 18 m umbrella with top-loads puts me in the 350 mW ERP class on 136 kHz = (for comparison: on 440 kHz the same antenna and 130 Watt output results = in a little bit more than 1 Watt ERP). =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dick=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:10 PM Subject: LF: 136kHz stns list--power Well, I agree the best thing to compaire might be ERP, but I think = this might be a rather difficult thing to calculate... It's more or less to get an idea of what one is running, and the = combination of antennatype and power will give at least a little clue if someone is a 'big-one' or QRP = station..... Info received from PA0WFO and G4WGT will be added to the list. 73 Dick, pa4vhf, meanwhile quite busy preparing all stuff for LX..... ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C6D6B6.24F73310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Dick,
 
looong ago I plotted the signal = strength of all the=20 stations that I had received on 136 kHz (http://www.qru.de/stnhrd.htm) = against=20 the distance (see http://www.qru.de/signals.html). Also=20 Dick, PA0SE added some of his data to this analysis. It gave a pretty=20 interesting picture about the distribution of the output ower of the = European LF=20 stations at that time. This should have changed in the meantime (for = example=20 because Germany alsoo has the permission to run 1 W ERP). It might be=20 interesting to do such a list and plot again and compare it to the = antenna=20 and power that a station is using.
 
Best 73
 
Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO
 
P.S.: I am currently not readily = QRV on LF=20 because my antenna is occupied by DI2BO on 440 kHz. Other thank = that: 350=20 Watt output and the 18 m umbrella with top-loads puts me in the 350 = mW ERP=20 class on 136 kHz (for comparison: on 440 kHz the same antenna and 130 = Watt=20 output results in a little bit more than 1 Watt ERP). =  
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dick
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, = 2006 8:10=20 PM
Subject: LF: 136kHz stns=20 list--power

Well, I agree the best thing to = compaire might be=20 ERP, but I think this might be a rather difficult thing
to calculate...
 
It's more or less to get an idea of = what one is=20 running, and the combination of antennatype and power
will give at least a little clue if = someone is a=20 'big-one' or QRP station.....
 
Info received from PA0WFO and G4WGT = will be added=20 to the list.
 
73
 
Dick, pa4vhf,  meanwhile quite = busy=20 preparing all stuff for = LX.....
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