X-GM-THRID: 1211450040689915199 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: f2a578d04e3a40f8ae6d05449c58b23da670b2a8 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.16 with SMTP id w16cs149005qbh; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.10.3 with SMTP id n3mr5079829nfi; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g1si7792809nfe.2006.08.12.08.51.28; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1GBvi3-0005FO-2T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:47:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1GBvi2-0005FF-HU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:47:34 +0100 Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1GBvhy-0002WS-A7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:47:34 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 12 Aug 2006 16:47:23 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAB2U3USLBwIHAgwHBh0 Received: from 88-106-96-167.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.96.167]:2301 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GBvhr-000Aaw-M4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:47:23 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:48:12 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060811231006.dihjfufduh44og8s@webmail3.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.701 Subject: RE: LF: Re: antenna: how to get max. capacity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5208 Hi Rik & LF, I remember seeing a multi top wire LF antenna with multi wire vertical conductors somewhere & I found it in the 'Low Frequency Experimenters Handbook' in an article written by Peter G3LDO. He shows a 4 wire top with a 4 wire vertical feed & describes it as a 'Traditional T LF Antenna'. What I am curious about is that if it is detremental to have this multi wire vertical arrangement as you stated, why has Peter shown it in his article? I have an Admiralty book 'Handbook of Wireless Telegraphy' (1938) which shows the same type of T antenna with a multi wire vertical section. I have also seen articles elsewhere (maybe on internet) regarding multi wire verticals & tops were the wires are in a circular arrangement/format & are presented as 'Cage Antennas & Cage Dipoles' although I believe to increase bandwidth. The reason I am interested is that I have thought about a similar arrangement because of my small garden area like Dick. Comments invited please. Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 11 August 2006 22:10 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: antenna: how to get max. capacity Quoting captbrian : > Make the vertical of three parallel conductors , each to the centre of each > top wire Using multiple vertical wires will increase the antenna capacitance but also decrease the radiation resistance. I guess that a thing you don't want. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm