X-GM-THRID: 1211450040689915199 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 2e776585c8c92a21b3f5e0b88c7cc139967b00ac Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.16 with SMTP id w16cs149336qbh; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.202.19 with SMTP id z19mr5218478nff; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o45si5964732nfa.2006.08.12.09.11.17; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1GBw2W-0005SG-8Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:08:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1GBw2V-0005S7-Oq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:08:43 +0100 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GBw2R-0000gJ-MZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:08:43 +0100 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060812160449.WPVL1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:04:49 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060812160449.EHNJ644.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:04:49 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:04:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <44DE0A2D.27594.1E88CF0@localhost> In-reply-to: References: <20060811231006.dihjfufduh44og8s@webmail3.kuleuven.be> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.515,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: RE: LF: Re: antenna: how to get max. capacity Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5207 You have the answer at the end of your e-mail. Multiple vertical wires are good for broadbanding, but provide additional capacitance to ground at a low height, thus reducing the effective height. Broadbanding may have been important in an efficient commercial station, but is unnecessary when ground resistances of 100+ohms make the antenna broad enough. Mike, G3XDV ==========. > I remember seeing a multi top wire LF antenna with multi wire vertical > conductors somewhere & I found it in the 'Low Frequency Experimenters > Handbook' in an article written by Peter G3LDO. He shows a 4 wire top > with a 4 wire vertical feed & describes it as a 'Traditional T LF > Antenna'. What I am curious about is that if it is detremental to have > this multi wire vertical arrangement as you stated, why has Peter > shown it in his article? I have an Admiralty book 'Handbook of > Wireless Telegraphy' (1938) which shows the same type of T antenna > with a multi wire vertical section. I have also seen articles > elsewhere (maybe on internet) regarding multi wire verticals & tops > were the wires are in a circular arrangement/format & are presented > as 'Cage Antennas & Cage Dipoles' although I believe to increase > bandwidth. > > The reason I am interested is that I have thought about a similar > arrangement because of my small garden area like Dick. > > Comments invited please. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 11 August 2006 22:10 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: > Re: LF: Re: antenna: how to get max. capacity > > > Quoting captbrian : > > > Make the vertical of three parallel conductors , each to the centre > > of > each > > top wire > > Using multiple vertical wires will increase the antenna capacitance > but also decrease the radiation resistance. I guess that a thing you > don't want. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm > >