X-GM-THRID: 1211995259789912466 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d3fa6eb4e79b9b67efb00e9a7a43b4db9b5d4bce Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.16 with SMTP id w16cs43227qbh; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.202.19 with SMTP id z19mr4544564nff; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k9si668238nfc.2006.08.18.14.05.38; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1GEBSM-0007gs-Q3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:00:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1GEBSM-0007gj-7Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:00:42 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.67]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GEBSJ-0001vP-Cn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:00:42 +0100 Received: (qmail 93382 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2006 21:00:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?81.131.102.1?) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.102.1 with login) by smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2006 21:00:32 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.405 [268.11.3/423]); Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:57:33 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c6c308$ed528240$01668351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <44E5DC22.19166.1149C7@localhost> <001e01c6c2d9$1c233900$0300a8c0@lark> <001401c6c301$ef7bf620$2dbe3b3e@fujitsu> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:57:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.867,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376 Subject: Re: LF: QRSS QRG's Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4789 Dear Dick, LF Group, High frequency stability is needed for long duration QRSS beacon transmissions with 60s dots, as you might use around 136.32kHz, so I should keep the crystal oscillator for that.. But for relatively short contacts with 3s/dot QRSS, stability can be greatly relaxed - drifting around a few Hz does not usually make a big difference. For quite a long time, I used a simple LC VFO for QRSS operation, which was usually adequate. I used to monitor the TX frequency on the RX spectrogram display, and if it was drifting too much I just tweaked it back again. I'm not sure what your VXO does, but I would certainly give it a try for QRSS3. Another way of generating a reasonably stable variable frequency around 137k is to use one of the cheap 3.58MHz ceramic resonators in a "VXO" circuit, and divide by 26 to get output in the 136k band. It is possible to cover the whole LF band with one of these, and the one I tried would stay within a few Hz without difficulty. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick To: Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: Re: LF: QRSS QRG's > Ok thanks, hmmm unfortunatly I am a bit late in discovering this, as I > already made the first part of an X-tal oscillator for 136.320kHz........ > > Well, I guess I have to start looking in my X-tal again. > Problem is how to make 137.7 (or better 137.7x2) from > an X-tal. > Of course I have nothing in my junkbox that can be divided to this > frequency, in fact > even for 136.320 I had to manually modifiy an X-tal by opening it up and > painting it. > > Anyway, meanwhile I got QRSS running! > Now I only need to built something that creates the right fixed > frequency.... > My VXO will reach it, but is not acurate enough , I guess. > > 73 > > Dick, PA4VHF