X-GM-THRID: 1210821511678493856 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c39dc892a8b104b26e129730f8169b9962854a24 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.16 with SMTP id w16cs149716qbh; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.29.2 with SMTP id g2mr6045923nfj; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l32si1021965nfa.2006.08.04.15.09.36; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G97nC-0006RE-AH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:05:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G97nB-0006R5-NJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:05:17 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.63]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G97n8-00068v-IU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:05:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 3012 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 22:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.62.195 with login) by smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2006 22:04:07 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c6b811$f77c2160$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 23:03:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.573 Subject: LF: RFI has its uses !! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5086 I have been complaining about sporadic strong SMPS interference for the last couple of months. And when it came up again the other day I decided to put up WinRad and connect an untuned 24 turn 80cm diam loop to the sound card input and see if I could find where it was. I realised I was getting a signal from my second PC at about 35kHz, this machine has never produced any in-band (136kHz) interference since new, and the peak looked clean. I switched it off to make the job easier, and ......yes the interference disappeared. Thinks.....why.....so I switched it on again and put my hand round the back at the top. The PSU area was very hot and there was no "blow" from the fan. Obviously the frequency only drifted into band when the fan stopped, and the PSU got overheated, so I didn't relate the interference to putting that PC on. The PSU was dropped out and opened and sure enough the cheapo fan was locked solid on seized "bearings". QuicK swap for a spare fan (I keep several lying around and some old AT PSUs) Switch on ....nice quiet machine....no groaning...and no QRM in 136. I suppose the fan has done quite well really that PC is about 3 years old and you are expected to change them every 18 months !! only I am too mean !! Motto..... Check at home before blaming the neighbours and check the PSU fans. If I had not spotted that I might have got very overheated (that is the machine that runs the T/A captures overnight) and possibly corrupted a disc. The thing was that the signal did not drift into 136 until the P had been on for some time and heated up.....so I didnt think it was causing a problem. I still have the weaker TV qrm to deal with and the one FMing its PSU but I can hear signals again now. The noise even overpowered Rugby Loran-C. Interestingly the ATX PSU did not have an encapsulated filtered IEC input connector but did have a filer on a small pcb mounted over the plug, which probably accounts for its generally acceptable behaviour. Cheers de Alan G3NYK