X-GM-THRID: 1207981765539854618 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a4194ec2e95ec43366574588d0b38188b71cf5c3 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs119362qbh; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.219.7 with SMTP id w7mr4974695qbq; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 01:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q17si3110885qbq.2006.07.05.01.08.24; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 01:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fy2MD-0000b6-RI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:03:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fy2MD-0000ax-BJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:03:37 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.141]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fy2MA-0007WV-AH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:03:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 11686 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 08:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.158.53 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 08:03:28 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c6a009$7fa86510$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <001101c69f68$fa306a90$6501a8c0@eagles> <001801c69f70$bef1a9a0$0300a8c0@lark> <000901c69f77$db074850$6501a8c0@eagles> <002b01c69f7e$701bbec0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <004701c69ff7$2298b710$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:03:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.137 Subject: LF: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5103 >From G3PLX: JA: Using the figures you gave in your posting, and the IN3OTD variometer calculator quoted by Brian, I estimate that your variometer has inductance between 3.0 and 6.8mH. To do this, I converted the outer coil diameter from 10.75 inches to 0.275m, the inner one from 6 inches to 0.15m, and the length of both from 7.5 inches to 0.185m. I had to guess that both the inner and outer coils have 122 turns (both halves) and I calculated on the basis that these turns were uniformly spaced along the whole length. In other words I had to ignore the 1-inch gap in the middle and imagine that the turns were spread evenly. This is the best I can do without trying to calculate the total inductance of the two (coupled) halves of each gapped coil. >From this it looks like you could never resonate your antenna at 136kHz with that variometer. It's too big and it's inductance cannot be swung down to the 1mH you would need to tune it, if it's capacitance is about 1200pF as Alan has estimated. Before you tear it apart and rebuild it, I would echo what Scott has suggested, and use a general-purpose LF generator to.. (a) Check the inductance of your present variometer using a known-value capacitor (e.g. 1200pF). (b) Measure the capacitance of the antenna using the signal generator and the variometer. (c) Calculate the inductance required to resonate that. (d) Finally build a new variometer to give an inductance range spanning the expected value. 73 Peter