X-GM-THRID: 1208256590552564434 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c274b0fe7120299021df74cd521f5abdc0d84619 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs194826qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.56.2 with SMTP id i2mr1482711nfk; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 07:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id b1si4995141nfe.2006.07.07.07.41.17; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 07:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyrSl-0000eK-Jh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:37:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyrSl-0000eB-4Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:37:47 +0100 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FyrSg-0004Ji-45 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:37:46 +0100 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-192.fen-net.de [212.204.117.72]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k67EXUdu010108 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:33:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001201c6a1d3$d5ddeba0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:44:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id k67EXUdu010108 X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.152 Subject: LF: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5331 Dear Allan, I did not follow your antenna problem step by step, but possibly this may be the reason of mistuning: The vertical part of your antenna - the coaxial cable - is too close to y= our grounded tower. So the HF possibly flows through this capacity directly i= nto ground. How long is this vertical part? And how long are the horizontal wires? Are you shure that there is no connection between the horizontal wires and the grounded tower? Please disconnect the grounding. What will happen? Years ago I had a problem similar to yours with my FRITZEL-tower, the vertical part - also coaxial cable - was too close to the mast. I had goo= d antenna current, but the stations did not hear me. After spacing the cabl= e for 4meters I made the first QSO=B4s, with lower current. 73 Walter DJ2LF -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: J. Allen An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Freitag, 7. Juli 2006 05:25 Betreff: LF: Antenna Tuning >The tower is grounded at its base at this time, but is up on insulators = and >can be ungrounded easily by disconnecting a 1/0 grounding conductor. > >The vertical portion of the antenna is a piece of coaxial cable spaced about >4 feet away from the tower. > >Still no luck finding the first resonant point. All points have been checked >from 20 kHz through 250 kHz. It acts like I have a big capacitor connec= ted >to the end of the coax. At the base of the antenna, I have installed a >relay and can switch between the dummy load and the antenna base loading >network. Whatever is wrong is wrong on the antenna side of that relay. = If >the dummy load is put on the other connector it acts as a dummy should, = so >the problem is not in the relay or its connection. If I substitute a lumped >constant for the antenna, the traces are as expected with the scope. > >I just do not seem to be able to find a resonant point using a frequency >divider and tiny amp. The scope traces are either sine wave traces but with >the voltage and current out of phase, or else really convoluted forms wh= ich >are in phase. > >I am still at step one. How to I get the two waveforms to coincide and= at >the same time have them look like sinewaves? > >Any ideas where to go with this now? > >"J" > > >