X-GM-THRID: 1210064181903762437 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 7ed310ad6462bfa77c892ff37992d8abd9df438e Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs10538qbh; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.41.18 with SMTP id t18mr540005nfj; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m16si4610823nfc.2006.07.28.03.58.07; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G6PzS-0007fz-47 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:54:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G6PzR-0007fq-Lv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:54:45 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G6PzN-0001R9-GX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:54:45 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1G6PzJ-0007iM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:54:37 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1G6PzD-0005hd-Dl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:54:31 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:54:31 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c6b234$346a40e0$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005901c6b22a$49d05b40$70c428c3@captbrian> X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.650 Subject: RE: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4864 Dear Bryan, LF Group, >Surely if antenna impedance is lo and amplifier higher then the antenna >needs to be >tapped down from the top and the amplifier final tapped "up" from = there ? >If moving the antenna tap detunes the the whole then a 'bit of coil at = the >bottom' needs >adding or removing ? More or less - but the point is that, for any particular antenna, coil diameter and winding pitch, there are only one or sometimes 2 = combinations of TX and antenna tapping points that will work. Also, for quite a lot = of possible combinations of antenna, coil diameter and winding pitch, there = is NO combination of taps that will work. >Mock it all up with infinitesimal power input , adust to matching / >resonance. >measure the inductances and build a Big Beefy copy.? You could do this type of experiment, but it would be difficult to scale everything to simultaneously maintain inductances, mutual inductance, Q = and stray capacitance at equivalent values to the full-size system, which = would be necessary to produce a valid result. Achieving this would be harder = than building the real thing! The spreadsheet calculations are an attempt to theoretically predict the behaviour of the full-sized tuner, and so far = seem to give quite accurate results. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU