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(james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.69.177 with login) by smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2006 17:53:18 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.10.5/403]); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:50:31 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c6b337$7bf89660$b1458351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <000001c6b17e$4823a8d0$e6a4c593@RD40002> <44C94628.9030404@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:50:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.076 Subject: Re: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4863 Dear Peter, LF Group, > Experimental work in 1996 to 1998 on the 73kHz band was concerned mainly > with how to transfer RF power from the amplifier to the antenna. Most of > the amplifiers used at the time were high power audio amplifiers with an > output impedance of 4ohms so the 50ohms system was a bit irrelevant. > The tapping point (loading) was affected by the resonance adjustment > (tuning). In fact I used a 8 turn multi-tapped coupling link on a 7mH > coil, normally tapped at 4 turns (73kHz). Reflecting on this, there are some quite good reasons to use a 50ohm impedance level for coupling bits of the system, even at LF. This is down to the fact that the resistive part of the antenna impedance is usually of the order of 50 ohms also. Given that any type of LC matching network will have limits on the ratios of impedances which can be matched, having the two resistances reasonably close to one another does help. On the spreadsheet, you can change the TX output impedance to 4 ohms or any other resistance. Doing this reveals that you can achieve a match to 4 ohms with fairly reasonable antenna resistances, by tapping at a smaller number of turns. But for any given coil, the maximum antenna impedance that can be matched is lower than for 50 ohm TX impedance. Also, the change in matched resistance between adjacent taps is large, often by a factor of 2 or more when the tap is changed by 1 turn for feasible sizes of coil, which would lead to poor accuracy of matching. A seperate link winding as G3LDO describes would be better, because there is more flexibility in the relationship between the self inductance of the link winding and its mutual inductance with the main winding than there is with the tapped coil. But it also means more variables in the design to cope with. Another related factor which the spreadsheet does not consider is that, with greatly differing TX output resistance and antenna resistance, there will be a big difference between the TX output current flowing into the coil tap, and the antenna current flowing out of the hot end of the coil. For 4 ohms output resistance, this would mean a much larger current flowing in the turns "below" the tap, and so probably increased loss for a given coil. Then there is the question of the transmission line to connect the TX to the antenna tuner, if these are not side by side. You could make a 4 ohm transmission line, but that would be much less convenient than a standard impedance. You might say "well, its only a tiny fraction of a wavelength at 2200m, so using 50 ohm coax won't make a big mismatch". But this isn't quite true - if you do the sums, a run of 50ohm coax with electrical length of 1% of lambda (about 15m of normal coax), with a 4 ohm load, results in an SWR of over 2:1 at the 4ohm TX end (with Z = about 4 + j3.1 ohms, mainly due to the distributed inductance of the coax). This would require the antenna tuner to provide an impedance with a hefty capacitive component in order to get a match, placing more restrictions on the design. Since most of the losses are due to resistance of conductors, using the same size wires in the 4ohm system would result in about 12 times as much loss as in the 50ohm system. So there is some serendipity in standardising on 50ohms; it does work out better in many cases, even at LF. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU