X-GM-THRID: 1210424872372039038 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 3aff0e473831966968133e445ec44660139db837 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.16 with SMTP id w16cs14828qbh; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.75.2 with SMTP id c2mr2003588nfl; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id z73si6945460nfb.2006.07.31.06.05.12; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G7XMr-0005M6-GD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:59:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G7XMo-0005Lx-SN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:59:30 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G7XMk-0004lo-2Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:59:30 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1G7XMa-0000KL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:59:16 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1G7XMZ-0007GJ-2u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:59:15 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:59:14 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c6b4a1$1fc92c90$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001301c6b46e$95b42050$6501a8c0@eagles> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.624 Subject: LF: RE: Antenna or transmitter tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6482 Dear J, LF Group, It is unlikely the distorted waveform is due to saturation of the transformer core. To have any noticeable effect on the waveform, it = would have to be driven quite deeply into saturation, and at 137kHz, this = would cause it to get smoking hot very quickly due to the core losses. In practice, it is hard to do this with any reasonably sensible windings. = In any case, the low pass filter should then largely filter out the = distortion. I found that corona discharge makes the oscilloscope display "flicker" = with rapid changes of amplitude, although the waveforms do not look distorted = as such. I would be surprised if you are getting corona with your antenna - = the large length of wire means high capacitance, and so voltage no more than = a few kV. It would certainly be a good idea to check the output with a 50R load = using the oscilloscope. To make sensible comments, it would help to know: What kind of amplifier circuit is in use? What kind of low-pass filter is in use? At what point in the system is the "scope match" connected? What do the awful waveforms look like? (a picture or sketch would help a = lot here...) Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU