X-GM-THRID: 1210064181903762437 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c75a2e1b74e24fe83d3b540e61acc5709c66059b Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs310568qbh; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.20.15 with SMTP id x15mr76336nfi; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c10si2394538nfb.2006.07.27.07.29.15; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G66m9-0003b2-8J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:23:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G66m8-0003at-QF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:23:44 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G66m4-0006u9-RT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:23:44 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1G66iN-0007gf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:19:51 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1G66iM-0006Lk-Gc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:19:50 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:19:49 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c6b187$b87981f0$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <44C8C65B.4060706@w1tag.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.679 Subject: RE: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4870 Dear John, LF Group, This design approach would work fine if there was no or negligible = coupling between the portion of the coil "below" the tap, and the portion = "above", i.e. if the loading coil was divided into two separate coils at the tap point. Then you would indeed have an L network as you describe. This = would be approximately true with a "long, thin" coil, with large = length/diameter ratio and well-spaced turns. The limitation is that it can only match to antenna resistances less than the TX output resistance. But the = important difference in the amateur type of tapped loading coil is that it has substantial coupling between the two sections of the coil, and the = resulting mutual inductance allows an antenna resistance substantially higher than = the TX output resistance to be matched. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John Andrews Sent: 27 July 2006 14:58 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Jim, I have always viewed tapped loading coils as a high-pass "L" network,=20 where the upper part of the coil leaves a small amount of capacitive=20 reactance, representing the "C" in the network. The shunt inductor is=20 the part of the coil below the tap. The issue is then to design the coil = for the inductances above and below the tap. In the couple of these=20 calcs I have done, I had accurate R+jX readings of the antenna in=20 advance. That may be more difficult for amateur work. John Andrews, W1TAG