X-GM-THRID: 1209244826060467162 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 15dc881b4e4077801c412bc95ff02474b1aebb26 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs146653qbh; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.55.13 with SMTP id h13mr668315nfk; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m16si782987nfc.2006.07.18.05.28.52; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2od8-0007fI-Mp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:24:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2od8-0007f9-58 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:24:50 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2od2-0006YE-TH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:24:49 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1G2ocy-0001QS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:24:40 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1G2ocs-000389-Rz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:24:35 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:24:34 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c6aa65$20a152a0$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <009f01c6aa0e$aedf1f40$6501a8c0@eagles> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.534 Subject: LF: RE: RF Ammeter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5219 Dear J, LF Group, Well, it's a pity the meter died, but a relief as far as the antenna = system is concerned! The antenna matching system you have at the moment actually looks pretty good. The main effect of the 1:1 transformer will be to act as a shunt inductor of around 50uH, together with the series inductance of the = loading coil. This all-inductor L network can only achieve a match if the load = has a resistive part less than 50ohms, showing that your antenna has loss resistance well below 50ohms. A rough calculation, assuming the = transformer is also using a 10-3/4" former with the same size wire, coupling between primary and secondary near unity, and factoring in some 25pF stray capacitance for the loading coil, gives the following Loading coil XL =3D 613ohms Shunt inductor XL =3D 42.6ohms For match to 50ohms, Total antenna+coil loss resistance Rloss =3D 21ohms Antenna capacitance Cant =3D 1900pF For 100W to the antenna, the 21ohms of loss resistance would result in antenna current =3D 2.2A. As far as splitting ferrite cores to make an RF ammeter goes, my = suggestion would be not to split the core, and just feed the wire through it! I = can't see this would be any harder than connecting your broken meter into the circuit, and avoids the trouble and uncertainties involved in splitting = the core. I think the "weird results" that sometimes occur are likely to be = due to stray capacitance between the low-current parts of the ammeter = circuit and the high voltage parts of the antenna tuner. Putting the complete ammeter circuit inside a metal case, connected to one end of the current carrying wire forming the transformer primary, prevents this problem. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU=20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of J. Allen Sent: 18 July 2006 03:06 To: LF (RSGB) Subject: LF: RF Ammeter Scott and Friends, The ammeter check results are in.... Dead Meter.