X-GM-THRID: 1205553291555435496 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 70b8a5af5231f41a7369c8259973af054ec81624 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs12729wrc; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.51.9 with SMTP id y9mr505311huy; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 2si444062hue.2006.06.08.08.21.45; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FoMFB-00080D-CE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:16:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FoMFA-000804-Sc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:16:20 +0100 Received: from mx1-4.spamtrap.magma.ca ([209.217.78.155]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FoMF6-00055z-HN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:16:20 +0100 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.internal.magma.ca [10.0.10.14]) by mx1-4.spamtrap.magma.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k58FGAC7016119 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:16:11 -0400 Received: from nocturna-y1zrar.magma.ca (nrtcorback-216-168-120-145.nrtco.net [216.168.120.145]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail4.magma.ca (Magma's Mail Server) with ESMTP id k58FG8uM029773 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:16:10 -0400 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.1.20060608110701.01abbf60@magma.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:16:48 -0400 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Bill de Carle In-Reply-To: <003d01c68b06$d84b0e60$0300a8c0@lark> References: <001501c68a76$9c02c8c0$0200a8c0@AUG2004> <4487EB8A.27171.B415B8@localhost> <7.0.1.0.1.20060608082442.019be388@magma.ca> <003d01c68b06$d84b0e60$0300a8c0@lark> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-magma-MailScanner-Information: Magma Mailscanner Service X-magma-MailScanner: Clean X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.030,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5159 At 10:10 AM 6/8/2006, Alan wrote: >Hi Bill fascinating info......would it be correct to say that with the >magnitude of Mike's error, it is the result of a slightly high reference >oscillator ?? It looks to me like the 20 Mhz reference was drifting around while he was taking the measurements (possibly his audio measuring system was drifting also, but that is less important). When I do these measurements I use an external standard (locked to GPS) in place of Kenwood's internal oscillator, and I also drive the LF DDS synthesizer from the *same* external standard - so the audio output from the radio is rock solid. The only uncertainty is the sound card sampling rate (which I check often against GPS). For a quick and dirty calibration of the TS850, one can tune in WWV's carrier on 15 Mhz (CW mode), measure the audio tone out, and trim the internal reference osc so the tone output is 800 Hz. That'll get you to well within 1 Hz on LF, at least for a while, hi! Bill VE2IQ