X-GM-THRID: 1207003870988988079 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 93f035c2350f296e8c0611ac2d93927c908f5df5 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs63004wrc; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.47.19 with SMTP id u19mr2701372nfu; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o45si1159542nfa.2006.06.23.11.49.51; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ftqg9-0005Ih-5I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:46:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ftqg8-0005IY-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:46:52 +0100 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Ftqg4-0001sn-Mw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:46:52 +0100 Received: from tnt-13-72.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.72] helo=captbrian) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1Ftqg3-000NHC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:46:47 +0100 Message-ID: <00a701c696f5$5231ff00$5ac428c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <521.130bed0.31cc71fb@aol.com> <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <200606231019250198.1433C814@smtp.wanadoo.fr> <005f01c696a6$b55dd1c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <449C03E7.9010007@wanadoo.fr> <002001c696e3$74317a20$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:45:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Top-fed LF antenna idea Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5305 Similar arguments apply to early ships' aerials. The resonant frequencies claimed, only seem to work out if one adds to the height and half the horizontal of the aerial, ,the height of the metal deck/shack - which they regarded as "Earth" - above sea level. The aerial resonance seems to have determined the transmitted frequency ? by selecting from the broadband spark emission. The whole hull was radiating.!! G3GVB - Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Martinez" To: Sent: 23 June 2006 17:38 Subject: LF: Top-fed LF antenna idea > From G3PLX: > > Some of you may have seen my letter in the current RadCom, which suggests > that reports of unusually good performance of the electrically-small 'EH' > antennas may be the result of them being mounted on top of a tall structure, > and are effectively top-feeding the whole thing. > > It occurs to me that this might be a useful experiment to try on 136kHz if > someone is able to operate 'portable' from the top of a suitable structure, > like a telecom tower or the Eifel or Blackpool towers. What would be needed > would be some sort of capacity-hat, such as a fishing rod (or two) sticking > out into clear space from the top of the tower. It need not be vertical, so > long as most of it was clear of the structure. This would then be resonated > at the operating frequency and the whole thing fed against some metallic > part of the structure. Assuming the tower is one with public access, there > should be AC power up there from which to run the equipment, and the safety > ground wire of this should be sufficient, or there may be an acessible > lightning conductor. > > The capacity hat would inevitably be quite small and therefore the inductor > losses will be high, but against that there will be an enormous benefit > because a lot of the 'resistance' in the ground connection will be good > quality radiation resistance. We should be able to calculate what this is > from the height of the structure, and remember that we can assume that the > current up the tower will be fairly constant and not dropping linearly to > zero at the top like a base-fed tower would be, so the effective height is > the actual height, not half of it. The e.m.r.p. can then be calculated from > the product of this radiation resistance and the square of the current > flowing into the capacity hat. > > I am sure the principle is sound. Is it worth a try? > > 73 > Peter > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 21/06/06 > >