X-GM-THRID: 1205908469638095221 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 759b321d5ca5dbc6049b64df3ad1728de8e70ed8 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs3840wrc; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.3.20 with SMTP id f20mr2364943nfi; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id v20si5552248nfc.2006.06.11.09.38.54; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FpSvO-0003Lx-8t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:36:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FpSvN-0003Lo-Jx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:36:29 +0100 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FpSvJ-0006hQ-RW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:36:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 21816 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2006 16:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.107.99 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2006 16:36:19 -0000 Message-ID: <002801c68d75$2cb6b7e0$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <000501c68d67$e09755c0$2102000a@ibm> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:36:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.708 Subject: LF: Re: PA4VHF/p fieldday report Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6254 Dick, I believe that your 1amp antenna current into a wire from 450 watts input PA, shows that you have an antenna system problem somewhere. It suggests a loss resistance of aroun 400 ohms, which is very high. I can get one amp into an antenna with about 60 watts. You should be seeing 2.5 to 3 amps, at that power level. I think the problem is you do not have the tuning /matching of the antenna properly sorted out, and this is putting high voltages back to the TX and the LPF. LF antennas can be difficult beasts, particularly when you are "portable" and you do not have much time. If I can ride my "hobby horse" I suggest you make up a simple RF bridge. You can use this to check the antenna at very low power, before firing large amounts of RF at it. With practice you will see what inductance loading and what impedance it is at resonance. If you try to do this with a TX and SWR indicator you can get all sorts of false indications. Each antenna location seems to need special treatment and needs a very flexible approach. You should also be aware that on a shared site, the power from other stations may be affecting your gear. I do not suggest it happened but received signals from an HF station nearby could shut down yout SWR protection, I have seen it happen on HF Field-day sites. Best of luck for your next attempt. Alan G3NYK