X-GM-THRID: 1207344539039658659 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: ef5e74984c9b10696872ea8aac5cd2a51075bb30 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs180346qbh; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.28.9 with SMTP id f9mr6029340ugj; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1si5997302ugc.2006.06.27.06.04.37; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FvDC0-0003KW-Tt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:01:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FvDC0-0003KN-Ch for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:01:24 +0100 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FvDBv-0008FG-Ho for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:01:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 51291 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 13:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.159.243 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 13:00:13 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c699e9$a13f2ea0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <000001c699d3$5da1ecc0$e6a4c593@RD40002> <002301c699e3$9f270bc0$e7ce28c3@captbrian> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:00:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.144 Subject: LF: The sound of spark Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5116 >From G3PLX: The nearest thing still around that must sound like spark, is LORAN. After all, it is generated in exactly the same way. The only difference is that the LORAN megatron is driven with 6 pulses at 10uS intervals - that is, a burst of 6 cycles of 100kHz - whereas the spark transmitter only had a single spark per emission. In both cases the RF envelope would have risen more rapidly than the rise-time of the maximum audible frequency, so the signal must have sounded very similar in the headphones. Indeed, the envelope waveform of the experimental spark transmitter shown on the VE2CV website is almost identical to the waveform of a LORAN pulse shown on the Loran website. If you listen on 100kHz with the receiver on AM, apart from the low-frequency pulse-rate at the basic p.r.f. between 10 and 20Hz, you will hear a 'squeekiness' to the sound, which results from the fact that the basic pulse is actually a burst of 8 or 9 'sparks' at a 1kHz rate. If the basic spark transmitters were 400-600Hz, they would have sounded lower in pitch than this 1000 Hz squeek, but the harmonic content would have sounded exactly the same. LORAN is effectively transmitting strings of 9mS spark transmission dots. A simple spark transmission on LF would have had a bandwidth determined almost entirely by the antenna resonance, but I imagine that as transmissions were taken higher in frequency they would have become rapidly wider and wider, unless steps were taken to narrow-down the emission by means of extra tuned-circuits. Whether this was ever done or not I don't know. There would have been good reasons to keep the bandwidths of transmitters and receivers roughly the same. 73 Peter