X-GM-THRID: 1206324052885744639 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 97cff5a0b079f7d492db8194045179714b7ed1ce Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs23385wrc; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.248.14 with SMTP id v14mr21395nfh; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g1si1624371nfe.2006.06.15.23.44.25; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fr810-00052D-UT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:41:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fr810-000524-BH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:41:10 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.197]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fr80x-000667-ID for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:41:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 29419 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2006 06:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.158.40 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2006 06:41:01 -0000 Message-ID: <002101c6910f$d5868e20$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <44894231.30866.D42969@localhost><00b601c68baa$e8cf78d0$26180d54@traceydlqceh0p> <44894CF9.4080102@usa.net><4491E6FB.2020705@usa.net> <20060616022030.coqaz7zeo7y8wgw8@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:41:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.173 Subject: LF: Re: PAs Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5184 >From G3PLX: Uwe: I am not an expert on LF power-amplifiers (I worked on 10kW HF power-amplifiers 40 years ago but not recently), but it looks to me that the voltage and current waveforms of your home-brew PA have some harmonics. I took the image of the homebrew waveform and did a mirror-image (flip vertically) then superimposed it on the original. This shows clearly that the voltage waveform has different rising and falling slopes, which means there is some even-order harmonic present. Maybe this is due to some unbalance between the two halves of a push-pull circuit. The current waveform is more confused but that is probably because the harmonic currents are higher. This is some effect of the low-pass filtering and the antenna tuning. There is also some broadening of the scope trace at some parts of the waveform, which shows there is some signal there which is not harmonically-related. It could be HF/VHF parasitic oscillation, but it's not possible to tell from the scope trace for sure. It could be just some power-line-frequency effect. Only a spectrum analyser could show this properly, but you may get a clue if you can hook the scope ahead of the PA low-pass filter. If this broadening of the trace is worse here, it may mean that there is some HF parasitic oscillation. 73 Peter