X-GM-THRID: 1205553291555435496 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: bc276372647372bc4884b0ebc994e3d863394cc7 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs1276wrc; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 04:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.97.7 with SMTP id z7mr1411767ugl; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 04:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e1si2093127ugf.2006.06.08.04.06.01; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 04:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FoIGh-0006OZ-Vd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:01:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FoIGh-0006OQ-HO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:01:39 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FoIGd-0005iM-6f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:01:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 11074 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 11:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.118.59 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 11:00:29 -0000 Message-ID: <002001c68aea$c1d0ba20$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <4487EB8A.27171.B415B8@localhost> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:00:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.738 Subject: Re: LF: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5162 Hi Mike that does look as though there may be a need for a tweak of the reference oscillator, but this will need confirming. One problem with some radios is that they derive all the LOs from the reference except the BFO is separate, and drifts to its own "script.". This would lead to a constant offset. Most modern rigs seem to derive all mixing frequencies including the BFO from the reference which make things easier unless as Stewart says there are bugs in the firmware or rounding errors. I guess the errors you quote would not be a problem on the HF bands, many amateurs would not notice them. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Dennison To: Sent: 08 June 2006 09:19 Subject: Re: LF: BBC 198kHz > Thanks to all those who responded to my query about the apparent > errors seen on frequency standards. > > I am now convinced my problem is caused by frequency error in my TS- > 850. Looking at several standards, the errors are as follows > (relative to an arbitrary zero): > 60.0kHz: -1.0Hz > 75.0kHz: -0.8Hz > 77.5kHz: -0.7Hz > 162kHz: -0.1Hz > 198kHz: +0.1Hz > 490kHz (using my LF Tx DDS) +3.0Hz > Plotting this on a graph shows approximately a straight line. This > indicates a progressive error as frequency increases. > > As a quick fix, I can now use the graph to determine the readings at > 198 and 60kHz that will give me a zero offset at 136kHz. However, is > there a more permanent way of overcoming this problem? > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > > > > Nothing unusual seen here - checked against my Rb standard. > > Walter G3JKV. > > >